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When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

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  • #91
    Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)


    All aboard the Sleep Train!!!


    Seth with 2 of the Fresno Four!


    Pacers Radio broadcast sound guy. I apologized to him several times, but at the end he was rather cool about it.


    The Indy crew meeting up after the game... @indysportsgirl, me, my wife, @elPacero & @naptownSeth


    Seth and Pacero...


    Of course...
    ...Still "flying casual"
    @roaminggnome74

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    • #92
      Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

      Awesome stuff guys. The Kings facility is probably the weirdest sports venue I've ever seen. It looks more like a small community college building than a basketball arena.

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      • #93
        Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

        Haha looks like you had fun. Would love to do something like this, hopefully when the bossman gives me that sacred extra week of paid vacation.

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        • #94
          Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

          Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
          Awesome stuff guys. The Kings facility is probably the weirdest sports venue I've ever seen. It looks more like a small community college building than a basketball arena.
          I have to say that inside is small, but in a basketball-specific arena kind of way. Baseline seats are tight to the court, the slope away is modestly vertical so the seats stay closer to the floor. There are only 2 levels with suites in between so "upper level" isn't that high up really.

          The lower bowl has WOOD flooring for the most part, as in polished wood. It's extremely worn down, but in a Wrigley Field kinda way that feels old but quaint. They have this brass rail theme going for the suites and the upper level "boxes" (first 2 rows in upper level) this is kinda odd but with some charm.

          I have some concourse pictures that I'll post later, but bottom line is that it's moderately well Kings branded with lots of purple and black. I also liked the restroom layout which featured a glass block wall at the entrance and good spacing.

          So it is small and old and it definitely lacks the exterior presence of an "event" arena, but it's kinda lovable. I'd much rather see another game in Sleepytime than in Target. And I can imagine that when it was first built it was a pretty sweet deal.




          VERY FRIENDLY STAFF all around. Lots of friendly, welcoming fans. Lots of people came up and asked if we were from Indy and were genuinely happy that we'd made the trip. Food prices were also reasonable. And it would seem like getting to, in and out of the arena would flow well even on a busy night.

          It does lose points for being in a weird suburb apartment complex area instead of connected to same part of the city.
          Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 12-01-2012, 01:30 PM.

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          • #95
            Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

            Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
            This problem is best countered with liquor, as proven last night.

            And we might be headed for a potential hangover situation today. Trying to ease back into the rotation slowly.
            Good....so does that mean that you won't be in the mood for a round of beers in the Oakland Arena?
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            • #96
              Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

              Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
              Awesome stuff guys. The Kings facility is probably the weirdest sports venue I've ever seen. It looks more like a small community college building than a basketball arena.
              Again, this is the same exact feeling that I had when I attended the Pacers/Kings game a few years back. But due to the size....it also explains why it gets do damn loud in the arena.

              Looking at where the Kings play, you can see why the Maloofs want a new Arena.
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              • #97
                Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                Two things.

                1. Did you guys get to meet with anyone from the Sacramento message board? We've always had a cool respectable relationship with them.

                2. I think I have found out the secret to the new success. Gnome is wearing a Pacers ball cap instead of the fedora.


                Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                • #98
                  Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                  ...and the Fresno 4 just happen to be in the room next door here in Sacramento. They looked pretty hung over!
                  ...Still "flying casual"
                  @roaminggnome74

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                  • #99
                    Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                    Haha, Seth looked pretty, uh, calm? on the broadcast. I told my wife, "My man has to have done something harder than beer." It was great to see PD represented, Denari sure seems to be a big fan.

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                    • Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                      I've watched the Pacers in that arena. Won that one, too. Had a great time.
                      This space for rent.

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                      • Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                        For all of the PD members that will be at the game in Oracle Arena....I'll be in Section 102 in Row 2. I'll be the only Asian guy in a Pacers jersey. Seth and Gnome are sitting in the same area as well...so come join us for a quick impromptu PD Forum get together during shoot around.

                        1st round of beers on me for all the visitors!

                        Be sure to bring your PD Forum issued ID.....I'll be checking
                        Last edited by CableKC; 12-01-2012, 08:06 PM.
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                        • Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                          Big ups to Pacers Nation (I know every fan of every team goes with nation, but we are earning it so **** them). Pacero and sportsgirl did the roadie. Cable came up with family(and he made the trip into Indy for the playoffs). We added lurker Ryan who is Twitter pals with El Pacero.

                          Orlando's brother Rob found us again and took a ton of group pix after the game. It just felt really special to have Pacers family on the road in all its forms, win or lose. Winning is great but the PN must be bigger than that.

                          Oracle was awesome I thought. Looks nice to me. Good layout and lighting, great atmosphere and great, smart fans. We talked with several all night about the game and the two teams in general. A couple of guys by the bench got rowdy in response to us but it turned into friendly jabs by the end.

                          Thanks to Mrs gnome and san fran Ryan for getting me in and out of who knows where san fran at 1 am while I was enjoying the warm embrace of rum (serious Hemmingway levels of rum).

                          I'll get pix posted tonight when I'm back in Indy, barring anymore delays (see wells twitter).

                          And on that note, oracle let me get my bilf approved lens in, but then an usher scolded me to remove it. So pix quality will be limited. The definition of professional is an insult to all pro photogs.

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                          • Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                            One thing about Oracle, it seemed a lot more like an event arena. They even had spotlights going. Of course it was a nice, rainy overcast night.





                            The intros were standard fare, flags like a lot of teams use, pre-game video, lights out. They did have the mirror ball going which was a nice effect. Doesn't really show up well in any photos I took.

                            Note the logo on the bottom of the center scoreboard. Nice touch.




                            Player intros also feature their Twitter account info. Pretty clever addition.




                            The team gets hyped before the game.




                            Paul looks back as he gets last second instructions.






                            At this point I had to change lenses and didn't have the setup right, so everything is too dark even after some touch up work.


                            Tyler guards the post



                            Ian does some post work of his own





                            BAMF just loading up on points as usual



                            George Hill draws the foul





                            The mini-San Fran meet
                            IndySportsGirl, Ryan Rucker (Twitter, PD lurker from SF), El Pacero, CableKC (from SF), Nap, Gnome, Mrs. Gnome
                            Gnome is singing? Drunk? Not holding his liquor as well as me?



                            We traded out Pacero and Ryan for Orlando Johnson's brother Rob, whom I already mentioned met us randomly as the Sacto In and Out. I think he came up to us first in SF, that's how friendly he was. You couldn't imagine a nicer guy which bodes well for Orlando's future here and in life in general.



                            This is the sideline club, basically where the sideline concourse food area is at BILF, but not open to everyone. This was not the sweeter Best Locker Room type setup that Gnome, his wife and I went to before the game (though Best LR is cooler, but more crowded, due to view of tunnel, etc).

                            Note that we met 2 guys who used to live in Indy, one in Carmel. I think he was an IU grad but they'd both been in SF for about 10 years I think. Like us they'd been enjoying the adult kool-aid and were pretty happy to hang out with us post-game.



                            Pacero and Ryan with "Carmel guy" in foreground.



                            After this all the mini-meet, sans CableKC, did a 2 car caravan run the 15-20 miles over to SF for that pizza. No photos from me, I left the camera in the car. But if I had taken it you'd see bars, strip clubs, and pizza places. Also you'd see a guy that assured us (including Mrs. Gnome) that if we followed him to his club we could have some p**** on our face (exact words). He was a charmer that one.

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                            • Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                              I have some San Fran photos yet, plus some shots of general Kings arena details. Should have those sorted for tomorrow.



                              Did you know David West had a big-man post-up training academy in San Fran? I'll prove it with a photo tomorrow.

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                              • Re: When Gnome Roams Naptown Will Follow (2012)

                                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                                And on that note, oracle let me get my bilf approved lens in, but then an usher scolded me to remove it. So pix quality will be limited. The definition of professional is an insult to all pro photogs.
                                Believe me....this p*sses me off to no end. I think that if we sat further back....the ushers would not have noticed it. Sitting 2 rows back from the bench means that you have more ushers paying attention to what you are doing.
                                Last edited by CableKC; 12-04-2012, 03:53 AM.
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