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Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

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  • #16
    Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

    Originally posted by Ownagedood View Post
    Roderick Wilmont!!! I miss that guy.. But hey, we got Gordon now..

    And I agree with you.. People are way too hard on Tinsley.. I don't really like him, but he doesn't deserve all the talk that people say he is the reason we lose.. He does nothing wrong half the time.. Besides, it's a team game, basically Tinsley's job is to assist other people to score.. Obviously he got the job done, again.

    Don't make Tinsley the scapegoat.. There are many to blame on different occasions..
    You are right... It's a team game. There is also defense to be played.

    Tinsley is not the reason we lose... He's the reason we'll never go anywhere as long as he's here.

    -Bball
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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    • #17
      Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

      Originally posted by croz24 View Post
      YES!!!!!! one loss closer to a top 10 draft pick...now just trade foster for a 1st, jo for a team's junk and a 1st, and granger for a nice young player and a 1st and we're set!!!
      Set for what exactly?

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      • #18
        Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

        Originally posted by mb221 View Post
        Set for what exactly?
        The continuing lottery...where you get to see whether it's only 2 or maybe 4 years before you get back to the playoffs.


        [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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        • #19
          Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

          set for a promising future so long as lb doesn't F the draft up...

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          • #20
            Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

            do any of you honestly believe this team is going somewhere with guys like jo, tinsley, murphy, dunleavy, diener, graham, rush, harrison, owens??? yea, didn't think so...

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            • #21
              Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

              Originally posted by Bball View Post
              You are right... It's a team game. There is also defense to be played.

              Tinsley is not the reason we lose... He's the reason we'll never go anywhere as long as he's here.

              -Bball
              How about the guys down low?? They let Mikki Moore go off on us when the last couple games he couldn't even get in double digits. They were letting guys score all over the place down there. Yes, it's not all their fault, but that is their area, they are supposed to stop people that run down there.

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              • #22
                Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

                Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                do any of you honestly believe this team is going somewhere with guys like jo, tinsley, murphy, dunleavy, diener, graham, rush, harrison, owens??? yea, didn't think so...
                YES!!!!!! one loss closer to a top 10 draft pick...now just trade foster for a 1st, jo for a team's junk and a 1st, and granger for a nice young player and a 1st and we're set!!!
                Do you honestly believe they would be going anywhere with what you just described we would receive for what we are giving away? Didn't think so lol......

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                • #23
                  Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

                  Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                  do any of you honestly believe this team is going somewhere with guys like jo, tinsley, murphy, dunleavy, diener, graham, rush, harrison, owens??? yea, didn't think so...
                  You didn't give much time for a reply there.

                  It doesn't matter to me whether we had the worst 12 players in the NBA active. I would still root for a win today, rather than a throw of the lottery dice. IF we suck so bad that we make the lottery, then that's what will happen. That's the way it works. In the meantime, I root for every win, because I root FOR the Pacers, not against them.


                  [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

                    I think Rush just got caught out of position again on defense and then tried to recover only to go flying through the air as soon as (insert Kings perimeter player here...) put up a pump fake...

                    Seriously the guy is coming along offensively, but his defense is still putrid. I don't know what some of you see in him defensively, but he was beyond bad tonight. As was Tinsley.


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                    • #25
                      Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

                      Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                      YES!!!!!! one loss closer to a top 10 draft pick...now just trade foster for a 1st, jo for a team's junk and a 1st, and granger for a nice young player and a 1st and we're set!!!
                      Go somewhere else with this crap.

                      Jeff Foster is far and away my favorite Pacer right now. I was really hoping we'd start him with the small lineup instead of Murphy, and when I saw that Murph was starting I said to my brother that the Pacers would probably fall behind 10-0 to start the game, I was almost on the money.

                      I said about 2 weeks ago that Kareem was becoming consistent, and now he's taken it to a level that I didn't realize was possible. This is the type of player everyone hoped Kareem would be when he was at Missouri. He plays under control, has an outstanding stroke and can score around the rim effectively when teams close out too fast on him after hitting a couple threes. If he can continue to play this way we'll be just fine. If Dunleavy or Murph had a decent game tonight we win despite playing very poorly defensively.

                      We saw how poor our interior defense is without Jermaine tonight though. If we move Jermaine before the trade deadline, we need to get a banger somewhere along the line. Mikki Moore should have never had as many dunks as he had tonight. It was a poor defensive effort tonight, but we've had 4 pretty good defensive outings in a row before this one I've thought, so I'm looking forward to how they respond on this roadtrip.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

                        So so so disappointed.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

                          Originally posted by Isaac View Post
                          We saw how poor our interior defense is without Jermaine tonight though. If we move Jermaine before the trade deadline, we need to get a banger somewhere along the line. Mikki Moore should have never had as many dunks as he had tonight. It was a poor defensive effort tonight, but we've had 4 pretty good defensive outings in a row before this one I've thought, so I'm looking forward to how they respond on this roadtrip.
                          To tell you the truth....I don't think that JONeal would have made a difference.

                          I really think that with our lineup, poor interior defense is going to be a by-product of playing Small Ball. JONeal would have made more of a difference then Foster or Murphy manning the paint....but I don't think that it would have made enough of a difference in the end.

                          We simply do not have the type of Big Man that is strong and good enough to rebound, defend and control the paint on a regular basis. If we have a younger version of JONeal that could take the abuse in the paint, had the jumps to efficiently score in the paint, rebound consistently and the hops to block the ball....then we would be okay. The problem is that we don't.

                          Small ball will work against smaller teams that don't have that great of a Frontline.....but against teams that have Bigger players with a somewhat decent Low-Post game.........this is what we will continue to see.
                          Last edited by CableKC; 01-19-2008, 11:28 PM.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

                            Originally posted by kester99 View Post
                            You didn't give much time for a reply there.

                            It doesn't matter to me whether we had the worst 12 players in the NBA active. I would still root for a win today, rather than a throw of the lottery dice. IF we suck so bad that we make the lottery, then that's what will happen. That's the way it works. In the meantime, I root for every win, because I root FOR the Pacers, not against them.
                            Rooting to get a high lottery pick isn't rooting against the team. It's realizing the team doesn't have the necessary talent to compete at a high level, and being willing to sacrafice the now for the future. You may not agree with the logic, but to imply that it doesn't make one a "true' fan of the team is ridiculous. We all want the same thing - for the Pacers to become a fun, contending team again. It's just some of us have foresight and understanding and some of us don't.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

                              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                              To tell you the truth....I don't think that JONeal would have made a difference.
                              With JO playing at any capacity - Mikki would have been Mikki tonight instead if Tim Duncan.
                              Vulpes pilum mutat, non mores!

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                              • #30
                                Re: Kings/Pacers Post Game 41: Pacers come up short

                                Originally posted by piksi View Post
                                With JO playing at any capacity - Mikki would have been Mikki tonight instead if Tim Duncan.
                                I agree with you on this point. But JO would have to play more like a role player and not change the entire style of the game with his presence to have that be worth it in my opinion.

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