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  • Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

    This is coming from a guy who never was a Boston and Larry Bird fan growing up. I didn't start watching basketball until 1993, and that was because of field trips to MSA and my interest in playing the sport. I was 9. I look back at him now as an adult and realize he is one of the best players to ever step on the court.

    I've been one of the biggest Bird supporters since he joined us. This isn't an "I told you so" and an "eat your crow" thread, but let's give the man some props.

    Everyone knows what happened when the two headed monster existed, before we canned Walsh. Thankfully we finally got rid of the guy who almost took our franchise to glory, then, ran it in the ground. Nothing lasts forever. It was his time to go.

    Since Bird has taken over he has been the best GM in the NBA BY FAR! Anyone who can't see this at this point is really blind. Sure you can say Pat Riley, blah, blah, blah, but Larry took a deck of cards that were heavily stacked against him and is sitting at the finalist table.

    I said many years back that what Larry was assembling one of the best young cores in the NBA, if not the best.

    Trading a washed up JO for one of the most promising young centers in the game? Brilliant. The announcer who said Hibbert wasn't a true center should be fired. In my mind he is what defines a true center. He is the most promising young true center in the game. He doesn't go down there and foul someone every play like Howard, he does it with finesse and old school post movers and shooting. He has future All-Star written all over him. The hardest player to come by in the whole NBA is a true center that can stay healthy that has the potential to be a future All-Star

    Oh but what about Bayless for B Rush? Well considering we MUST re-sign a 23 old power forward we acuired from this deal on top of B Rush, I'd say we made out like thieves in the night. This is better than the JO trade we got from them in my book. JO was losing basketball, as his epic failure here proved.

    Trading Murphy for Collison? Steal of the year by far. Collison is the most promising young point gaurd we have ever had here in Indiana folks. People bash him, and even I lobbied for TJ Ford during the locker room meltdown, because TJ Ford was always a professional. Sookie gets it right on him and Price alot. I think she knows more about the PG position than any of the posters on this board. He is a second year player trying to leran the hardest position in the NBA under his fourth coach. Noone knows how high Collison's ceiling is, but if it 20/10 on a 50 win team, that is All-Star caliber.

    Any criticisms of Hansbrough should be laid to rest. I annointed him starter his rookie year and people called me nuts, but he was the steal of that draft for where we got him. Sure there may be a couple of better players ahead of him, but we got a lottery pick essentially in the teens because he had so many doubters. Another brilliant move by Bird. Can't discount getting Price in the second round either. He has proved he belongs in the NBA as a second unit point gaurd. How many point gaurds that year went ahead of him? Pretty good for where we got him.

    Paul George may be the steal of the decade. He has Kobe Bryant 2.0 written all over him. How did we get a number one pick at 10? I don't know. But anyone who doesn't think Paul George has top 3 pick talent must really not watch the NBA draft. Where was Dunleavy picked? George has by far the most talent on the team. I find it funny the night after the poster questioned him because Hayward scored 22 on Kobe, George put up 23 and may be the next Kobe lol. Okay maybe his ceiling isn't as high as Bryants, but he is the most talented the Pacers have ever had. I'm not crowning his *** and saying he is better than Reggie, but his ceiling is much higher.

    Is Lance Stephenson the biggest fan on the bench nowadays? Man I really think this kid has turned a corner since the locker room meltdown. It gives me the chills and puts a tear in my eye, but I think the vets have really embraced him. And we don't have a team full of thugs. We have hard working guys who keep their **** in order. He is the one player who has as much if not more talent than George on this team, and he is the biggest wildcard. What happens to our team one day if George and Stephenson both live up to their full potentials?

    Am I crazy to think a championship is more feasible with this young core than any we have ever had? I think Larry has assembled a future championship contender with a cool 25-30 mil in cap space.

    Name one GM who has done more with less and I'll laugh. There isn't one. Or name one close who has the cap space he has under the new CBA? Laughing all the way to the bank, Larry, all the way to the bank.

    His one mistake; keeping Jimmy too long. But that was Bird's reward for Jimmy taking a job no other experienced NBA head coach would take. Let's give Jimmy his due. He lit the fire under Hibbert's and Hansbrough's and McRoberts's and all the young guys butts. He made them work hard. Game day full contact practices. You could tell we were always wore out at the end of the games and how it hurt our stamina. But it made them stronger!!! Made them want to prove him wrong!

    But Bird completely redeemed himself by firing JOB at just the right time to promote one of the best young coaches in the NBA. We have to re-sign Vogel for next year! I am in love with this guy and what has done to bring Pacers basketball back. I said it before and I'll say it again, you don't ever let a guy like him walk. His work ethic is unmatched, and his belief in his players goes a long way.

    Playoffs baby!!! Boom Baby!!! Get your free kool-aid and and blue and yellow sunglasses while supplies last!!! Let's upset Chicago for Slick!!!!

    BOOOOOOM BAAAAAAAABY!!!!!!!
    Last edited by Midcoasted; 04-07-2011, 05:02 AM.

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    Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

    OK, this is going a tad too far. I doubt 3 years ago Larry's grand scheme was to secure the 8th seed in the east with a sub-.500 record.

    I think he's improved the roster a good deal since 2007, but let's be real here. Best GM in the NBA? Where's the green font?

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

    Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
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    NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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      Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

      lets be one of the best

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        Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

        I've been a Bird complainer, the OJ trade, the Murphleavy deal, JOB, but gotta give it up to him, he has put together a pretty decent squad and some nice cap room to play with.
        Protect the Promise!!!!

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          Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

          Wow my post got cut off. I had some really good homer stuff in there. Kstat not meant to be green. When you think of young talent, you think of the Pacers. When you think of the Pistons, you think of a veteran trash fire. No offense. They are really that bad. Reminds me of the dark years around here.

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            Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

            .....and if I mentioned the Pistons, that would be relevant.....

            I'm fairly certain that outside of Indy, Indiana is not the team that comes to mind when you think "young talent."There's young talent there, but teams like OKC, LAC and Chicago are the generally regarded teams of the future.

            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

            Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
            Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
            NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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              Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              .....and if I mentioned the Pistons, that would be relevant.....

              I'm fairly certain that outside of Indy, Indiana is not the team that comes to mind when you think "young talent."There's young talent there, but teams like OKC, LAC and Chicago are the generally regarded teams of the future.
              I'm pretty sure outside of distant Pacers fans, the Pacers are probably never even thought of outside of Indy. You think anybody would have ever considered the Pacers in Reggie's first playoffs a future team capable of taking MJ to a game 7 in his championship run?

              You named LA, Chicago, and Kevin Durant, who I think is the best player in the NBA. Of course they are considered teams of the future. Mark my words, the Clippers will never go anywhere. I'd like them alot more if they just moved to Seattle.

              Honestly I don't know how to feel about D Rose and Chicago. I just don't see championship for sure in their future. At least I hope not. Nothing would sicken me more than seeing Boston LA or the Chicago winning another championship before a franchise more deserving. Sure odds are one of those teams wins one before the Pacers do, but I can hope can't I?
              Last edited by Midcoasted; 04-07-2011, 05:30 AM.

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                Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

                Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                OK, this is going a tad too far. I doubt 3 years ago Larry's grand scheme was to secure the 8th seed in the east with a sub-.500 record.

                I think he's improved the roster a good deal since 2007, but let's be real here. Best GM in the NBA? Where's the green font?
                I look to Vogels 19-16 record and nothing else this year. Whatever JOB did, was irrelevant. Vogel turned the ship around mid season, survived a locker room meltdown/6 game losing streak/lost 8 of 9, and beat the Knicks twice and Boston and Chicago after that.

                19-16 is the record that got us here and anything before that should not be applied to this team. It's not like Vogel is just doing what Jimmy did but we are getting lucky and winning. He literally shook this team up, gave us fans what we wanted, played the young guys, preached a smashmouth get to the rim style, and started winning. Sure there were growing pains but he took us to the promised land.

                Larry's 3 year plan was to get us to to the playoffs in said third. Sure he had to fire Jimmy and promote Frank to do it, but he did it, so a win is a win. He also has more cap space than any team in the league and a young team that will compete for a championship in the future without having to blow that cap space on anyone other than draft picks or re-signing our guys.
                Last edited by Midcoasted; 04-07-2011, 05:57 AM.

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                  Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

                  Midcoasted-

                  Don't listen to the naysayers. It's ok to be delusional when
                  you're still under 30 !

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                    Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

                    Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
                    This is coming from a guy who never was a Boston and Larry Bird fan growing up. I didn't start watching basketball until 1993, and that was because of field trips to MSA and my interest in playing the sport. I was 9. I look back at him now as an adult and realize he is one of the best players to ever step on the court.

                    I've been one of the biggest Bird supporters since he joined us. This isn't an "I told you so" and an "eat your crow" thread, but let's give the man some props.

                    Everyone knows what happened when the two headed monster existed, before we canned Walsh. Thankfully we finally got rid of the guy who almost took our franchise to glory, then, ran it in the ground. Nothing lasts forever. It was his time to go.

                    Since Bird has taken over he has been the best GM in the NBA BY FAR! Anyone who can't see this at this point is really blind. Sure you can say Pat Riley, blah, blah, blah, but Larry took a deck of cards that were heavily stacked against him and is sitting at the finalist table.

                    I said many years back that what Larry was assembling one of the best young cores in the NBA, if not the best.

                    Trading a washed up JO for one of the most promising young centers in the game? Brilliant. The announcer who said Hibbert wasn't a true center should be fired. In my mind he is what defines a true center. He is the most promising young true center in the game. He doesn't go down there and foul someone every play like Howard, he does it with finesse and old school post movers and shooting. He has future All-Star written all over him. The hardest player to come by in the whole NBA is a true center that can stay healthy that has the potential to be a future All-Star

                    Oh but what about Bayless for B Rush? Well considering we MUST re-sign a 23 old power forward we acuired from this deal on top of B Rush, I'd say we made out like thieves in the night. This is better than the JO trade we got from them in my book. JO was losing basketball, as his epic failure here proved.

                    Trading Murphy for Collison? Steal of the year by far. Collison is the most promising young point gaurd we have ever had here in Indiana folks. People bash him, and even I lobbied for TJ Ford during the locker room meltdown, because TJ Ford was always a professional. Sookie gets it right on him and Price alot. I think she knows more about the PG position than any of the posters on this board. He is a second year player trying to leran the hardest position in the NBA under his fourth coach. Noone knows how high Collison's ceiling is, but if it 20/10 on a 50 win team, that is All-Star caliber.

                    Any criticisms of Hansbrough should be laid to rest. I annointed him starter his rookie year and people called me nuts, but he was the steal of that draft for where we got him. Sure there may be a couple of better players ahead of him, but we got a lottery pick essentially in the teens because he had so many doubters. Another brilliant move by Bird. Can't discount getting Price in the second round either. He has proved he belongs in the NBA as a second unit point gaurd. How many point gaurds that year went ahead of him? Pretty good for where we got him.

                    Paul George may be the steal of the decade. He has Kobe Bryant 2.0 written all over him. How did we get a number one pick at 10? I don't know. But anyone who doesn't think Paul George has top 3 pick talent must really not watch the NBA draft. Where was Dunleavy picked? George has by far the most talent on the team. I find it funny the night after the poster questioned him because Hayward scored 22 on Kobe, George put up 23 and may be the next Kobe lol. Okay maybe his ceiling isn't as high as Bryants, but he is the most talented the Pacers have ever had. I'm not crowning his *** and saying he is better than Reggie, but his ceiling is much higher.

                    Is Lance Stephenson the biggest fan on the bench nowadays? Man I really think this kid has turned a corner since the locker room meltdown. It gives me the chills and puts a tear in my eye, but I think the vets have really embraced him. And we don't have a team full of thugs. We have hard working guys who keep their **** in order. He is the one player who has as much if not more talent than George on this team, and he is the biggest wildcard. What happens to our team one day if George and Stephenson both live up to their full potentials?

                    Am I crazy to think a championship is more feasible with this young core than any we have ever had? I think Larry has assembled a future championship contender with a cool 25-30 mil in cap space.

                    Name one GM who has done more with less and I'll laugh. There isn't one. Or name one close who has the cap space he has under the new CBA? Laughing all the way to the bank, Larry, all the way to the bank.

                    His one mistake; keeping Jimmy too long. But that was Bird's reward for Jimmy taking a job no other experienced NBA head coach would take. Let's give Jimmy his due. He lit the fire under Hibbert's and Hansbrough's and McRoberts's and all the young guys butts. He made them work hard. Game day full contact practices. You could tell we were always wore out at the end of the games and how it hurt our stamina. But it made them stronger!!! Made them want to prove him wrong!

                    But Bird completely redeemed himself by firing JOB at just the right time to promote one of the best young coaches in the NBA. We have to re-sign Vogel for next year! I am in love with this guy and what has done to bring Pacers basketball back. I said it before and I'll say it again, you don't ever let a guy like him walk. His work ethic is unmatched, and his belief in his players goes a long way.

                    Playoffs baby!!! Boom Baby!!! Get your free kool-aid and and blue and yellow sunglasses while supplies last!!! Let's upset Chicago for Slick!!!!

                    BOOOOOOM BAAAAAAAABY!!!!!!!
                    almost all of this should be in bright green font.

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                      Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

                      Bynum > hibbert

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                        Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

                        I read the first post and thought, "This is a really good parody."

                        Then I read all the subsequent posts...
                        "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                        -Lance Stephenson

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                          Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

                          Originally posted by HOOPFANATIC View Post
                          I've been a Bird complainer, the OJ trade, the Murphleavy deal, JOB, but gotta give it up to him, he has put together a pretty decent squad and some nice cap room to play with.
                          What was the complaint about the OJ trade?

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                            Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

                            Larry has put together a very solid group of young players. He didn't cave in to a bad trade just to win a few more games like so many GM's do. Now we have the cap space to play with going into a new CBA. I really don't think any GM or President could have done any better then Larry has. We can't call him the best GM in basketball just yet but we may be this time next year. I really hope he stays in control of the Pacers for a long time to come. I wish he'd come out and make a statement to that effect.
                            Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Larry Bird = Winning, 3 Year Plan a Success

                              I've come to a sad conclusion. Whenever someone on here says without prompting "I'm not a ..." or "This thread isn't ...", what follows will always show the opposite to be true.
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