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  • Boston Trade

    Indiana Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Jermaine O'Neal
    6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS)
    19.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes
    Jamaal Tinsley
    6-1 PG from Iowa State
    12.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 6.9 apg in 31.1 minutes
    Incoming
    Wally Szczerbiak
    6-7 SF from Miami-OH
    15.0 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.7 apg in 28.1 minutes
    Theo Ratliff
    6-10 C from Wyoming
    2.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.0 apg in 21.5 minutes
    Al Jefferson
    6-10 C from Prentiss (HS)
    16.0 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 33.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #05 Pick
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Change in team outlook: +1.3 ppg, +4.7 rpg, and -6.3 apg.

    Boston Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Wally Szczerbiak
    6-7 SF from Miami-OH
    15.0 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.7 apg in 28.1 minutes
    Theo Ratliff
    6-10 C from Wyoming
    2.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.0 apg in 21.5 minutes
    Al Jefferson
    6-10 C from Prentiss (HS)
    16.0 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 33.6 minutes
    2007 Draft #05 Pick
    0-0 from
    No games yet played in 2006/07
    Incoming
    Jermaine O'Neal
    6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS)
    19.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes
    Jamaal Tinsley
    6-1 PG from Iowa State
    12.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 6.9 apg in 31.1 minutes
    Change in team outlook: -1.3 ppg, -4.7 rpg, and +6.3 apg.


    Successful Scenario
    Due to Indiana and Boston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Boston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.



    Boston does it to pair JO with Pierce, plus they are wanting to get more vets on the team.

    Indiana does it to strart rebuilding, they could use the #5 pick to get Conley or Law or they could trade down and pick up more picks. Plus Wally would give us a good outside shooter and a young stud in Jefferson.

  • #2
    Re: Boston Trade

    no way they give up both jefferson and the pick and i believe the pick will be easier to get than danny ainge's only real success in boston.

    a more likely boston scenario is probably...
    INDIANA GETS
    west/perkins
    green
    ratliff
    szczerbiak
    #5

    BOSTON GETS
    o'neal
    tinsley


    ratliff is exp. so i'm cool with that.
    szczerbiak will be tough for me (and probably TPTB) to swallow because wally is a sg/sf and either we pay his salary (luckily only 2yrs remain) to ride the bench OR he takes minutes away from our current developing players.
    green could be a decent pro, not a star. needs a lot of work.
    west promising PG. not a star but seems quite capable of being a solid PG in the league. perkins isn't really promising but is a banger and rebounder. we can't get both but depending on whether conley is available at #5 i think determines which of west/perkins we take.
    This is the darkest timeline.

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    • #3
      Re: Boston Trade

      Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
      no way they give up both jefferson and the pick and i believe the pick will be easier to get than danny ainge's only real success in boston.

      a more likely boston scenario is probably...
      INDIANA GETS
      west/perkins
      green
      ratliff
      szczerbiak
      #5

      BOSTON GETS
      o'neal
      tinsley


      ratliff is exp. so i'm cool with that.
      szczerbiak will be tough for me (and probably TPTB) to swallow because wally is a sg/sf and either we pay his salary (luckily only 2yrs remain) to ride the bench OR he takes minutes away from our current developing players.
      green could be a decent pro, not a star. needs a lot of work.
      west promising PG. not a star but seems quite capable of being a solid PG in the league. perkins isn't really promising but is a banger and rebounder. we can't get both but depending on whether conley is available at #5 i think determines which of west/perkins we take.
      wow, we're totally on the same wavelength on this

      just to add, the deal still works if you take out wally and tinsley. though i suppose it makes sense to ship tins out if we're getting west and conley.

      a bigger question i guess is - do you still do the deal for #5 if conley is off the board by then?

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      • #4
        Re: Boston Trade

        Originally posted by wintermute View Post
        wow, we're totally on the same wavelength on this

        just to add, the deal still works if you take out wally and tinsley. though i suppose it makes sense to ship tins out if we're getting west and conley.

        a bigger question i guess is - do you still do the deal for #5 if conley is off the board by then?
        umm i would still do the deal i would just trade down because if conley is gona i think we can still get a very talented PG that can pass very well in Javaris Crittenton... although i believe fleets attempt at a trade is ideal i also believe its impossible while avoiding's post is a good trade and it also has a great chance at working out

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        • #5
          Re: Boston Trade

          Originally posted by wintermute View Post
          wow, we're totally on the same wavelength on this

          just to add, the deal still works if you take out wally and tinsley. though i suppose it makes sense to ship tins out if we're getting west and conley.

          a bigger question i guess is - do you still do the deal for #5 if conley is off the board by then?
          I think the bigger question is "do we do the deal if Brewer is off the board?"

          We don't need conley because we're better off getting a PG in the 2008 draft.

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          • #6
            Re: Boston Trade

            What about this one?
            Does anyone think we could peel off this much young talent for Jermaine alone? What do you think Pauly would say?

            This Trade Succeeded!

            Boston Celtics



            Incoming Players
            Jermaine O'Neal
            Salary: $18,084,000 Years Remaining: 3
            PTS: 19.4 REB: 9.6 AST: 2.4 PER: 18.86

            Outgoing Players: Gerald Green, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff, Tony Allen
            Indiana Pacers




            Incoming Players
            Gerald Green
            Salary: $1,347,000 Years Remaining: 2
            PTS: 10.4 REB: 2.6 AST: 1.0 PER: 12.10
            Al Jefferson
            Salary: $1,618,320 Years Remaining: 2
            PTS: 16.0 REB: 11.0 AST: 1.3 PER: 19.90
            Theo Ratliff
            Salary: $11,666,666 Years Remaining: 2
            PTS: 2.5 REB: 3.5 AST: 0.0 PER: 6.91
            Tony Allen
            Salary: $1,037,280 Years Remaining: 2
            PTS: 11.5 REB: 3.8 AST: 1.7 PER: 17.06

            And the #5 Draft Pick

            Outgoing Players: Jermaine O'Neal



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            • #7
              Re: Boston Trade

              boston won't be giving up jefferson but for a few players (probably limited to lebron, duncan and maybe #1/oden) they certainly won't be giving up #5 and jefferson (plus green and allen) just for o'neal.
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              • #8
                Re: Boston Trade

                I agree with avoidingtheclowns.

                Jefferson is coming off a great season, they won't give up on him just for JO.

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                • #9
                  Re: Boston Trade

                  Assuming that Conley is on the boards at #5, and I think that he will, I would prefer to deal with Boston. Grab Conley and Green and Perk/West, and be set for the next few years in the back court.
                  Abba Zaba, your my only friend.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Boston Trade

                    Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                    no way they give up both jefferson and the pick and i believe the pick will be easier to get than danny ainge's only real success in boston.

                    a more likely boston scenario is probably...
                    INDIANA GETS
                    west/perkins
                    green
                    ratliff
                    szczerbiak
                    #5

                    BOSTON GETS
                    o'neal
                    tinsley


                    ratliff is exp. so i'm cool with that.
                    szczerbiak will be tough for me (and probably TPTB) to swallow because wally is a sg/sf and either we pay his salary (luckily only 2yrs remain) to ride the bench OR he takes minutes away from our current developing players.
                    green could be a decent pro, not a star. needs a lot of work.
                    west promising PG. not a star but seems quite capable of being a solid PG in the league. perkins isn't really promising but is a banger and rebounder. we can't get both but depending on whether conley is available at #5 i think determines which of west/perkins we take.
                    I like this deal a lot. Wally will be coming off the books about the time we need to resign Granger and Ike. Where JO and Tinsley's contracts run 3 and 4 years and would be on the books at that time. In the short term, we need shooting desperately and Wally would take care of that department and could move right in as our SG. He had a poor year last year, but previously his fg% have been close to 50%. IMO, Green is already pretty good for such a young player. He's like a top 20 pick himself. In just 22 minutes, he's averaging 10+ppg. Another good shooter. West instantly upgrades our PG position. As for the pick we might get lucky and see Durant or Horford slip. That's always possible and would be a coup. Otherwise, Yi, Brendan Wright, Noah or Conley are options.....or we could trade down. Yes, I like it.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Boston Trade

                      I believe this is a more realistic trade. The only question is green a true SF or SG. The last thing we need is another young SF. You might be able to substute Telfair for West. I don't know though. I don't see them taking Tin man.


                      Indiana Trade Breakdown
                      Outgoing
                      Jermaine O'Neal
                      6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS)
                      19.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes
                      Incoming
                      Theo Ratliff
                      6-10 C from Wyoming
                      2.5 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.0 apg in 21.5 minutes
                      Sebastian Telfair
                      6-0 PG from Abraham Lincoln (HS)
                      6.1 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 2.8 apg in 20.3 minutes
                      Gerald Green
                      6-8 SF from Gulf Shores Academy (HS)
                      10.4 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.0 minutes
                      2007 Draft #05 Pick
                      0-0 from
                      No games yet played in 2006/07
                      Change in team outlook: -0.4 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and +1.4 apg.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Boston Trade

                        tinsley being included is the only ? really, because it just depends whether they want a more playoff experienced PG to run the show. if they do then i think the deal i proposed works. but there is no way the pacers take back a player who has a gun fetish after the SJax/strip club incident so including telfair isn't really likely
                        This is the darkest timeline.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Boston Trade

                          Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                          tinsley being included is the only ? really, because it just depends whether they want a more playoff experienced PG to run the show. if they do then i think the deal i proposed works. but there is no way the pacers take back a player who has a gun fetish after the SJax/strip club incident so including telfair isn't really likely
                          I would figure if Telfair was involved he would be cut by the Pacers as soon as we got him. Due to him only having next year on his contract. Do you know what Green's natural postion is SF or SG

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                          • #14
                            Re: Boston Trade

                            well hoopshype has him on the depth chart as a SF but on his profile has him as a SG, my guess is he's like a reverse dunleavy (a natural SG but can play the SF if needed) and with all the injuries last season he probably had to quite a bit.
                            This is the darkest timeline.

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