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  • #91
    Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

    If Cleveland has to let go of Wiggins, Bennet, Thompson and a 1st I am not too scared of them. Those three might not be great but they all are good and improving. Love is one heck of a player but I agree that is too much to give up.

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    • #92
      Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

      Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
      If Cleveland has to let go of Wiggins, Bennet, Thompson and a 1st I am not too scared of them. Those three might not be great but they all are good and improving. Love is one heck of a player but I agree that is too much to give up.
      Larry Bird needs to make a push and offer David West for Tristan Thomspon and Bennett...
      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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      • #93
        Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
        Larry Bird needs to make a push and offer David West for Tristan Thomspon and Bennett...
        The last thing I want is for West to abuse us in the Playoffs.
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        • #94
          Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

          I just got the cold sweats imagining the Pacers playing against David West and Lebron James on the same team.

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          • #95
            Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            I highlighted the parts that you should really make a note of. Right now......Waiters nor Bennett are anything close to Jimmy Butler....Thompson isn't on the same level as Taj yet. If they have value....then trade them for Players that the Cavs can surround LeBron and Irving to help them win NOW....not a year or two from now.

            The Cavs have 2 years to win 2 Championships with LeBron. The Cavs....much less LeBron....doesn't have the luxury ( nor patience ) to wait for them to become what you suggest that they can become.
            You are mistaken trade value and court value m


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            • #96
              Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

              Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
              You are mistaken trade value and court value m

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              Whatever value they have.....do you think that they will be contributing on the level that LeBron will need in order to SERIOUSLY compete for a Championship over the next 2 seasons?

              My guess is not likely.

              Yes, going after KLove may mean mortgaging the Cavs Future.....by trading Wiggins ( yes, the only Player with any true future SuperStar potential here ) , Thompson, Waiters and/or Bennett ( who I don't think will really contribute in the next season or two ).

              Going after KLove shows LeBron 2 things......the Cavs are willing to do anything to compete for a Championship now by making serious roster changes to win now ( by going after one of the Top PFs in the league ) and that they are willing to do pretty much anything to try to convince LeBron to stay beyond the end of his current contract ( by giving up arguably one the of the top prospects in the League in years ).

              2 years....that's what the Cavs are focusing on now.....whatever happens after that....even if it means giving up Wiggins....they will figure out after making 2 serious runs at the ECF or ( likely ) beyond.
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              • #97
                Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                Larry Bird needs to make a push and offer David West for Tristan Thomspon and Bennett...
                sweet lord, the one player in the league who is actually worse than our bigs at setting screens

                EDIT: The thing I love about this gif most is that (if I remember right) there is like 5 seconds on the shot clock.
                Last edited by dal9; 07-25-2014, 06:14 PM.

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                • #98
                  Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

                  http://online.wsj.com/articles/sourc...=Chris+herring

                  The Knicks recently attempted to make a trade for Minnesota Timberwolves star Kevin Love, offering forward Amar'e Stoudemire and his enormous expiring contract, second-year guard Tim Hardaway, Jr. and swingman Iman Shumpert , according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

                  But the long-shot offer, made in the past week, was declined and never stood much of a chance, particularly because the Timberwolves could potentially strike a richer deal with the Cleveland Cavaliers involving No. 1 overall pick Andrew Wiggins. The Chicago Bulls, who have a bevy of intriguing assets to trade, have reportedly had conversations with Minnesota about Love in recent weeks since failing to sign Knicks star Carmelo Anthony in free agency.
                  I know that there was ZERO chance that the TWolves would consider this ( it's quite obvious that any other offer that the TWolves have on the table is WAY BETTER than this offer ), but this illustrates what I ( and others ) have been saying, the TWolves have the luxury of waiting it out for another month to see if other Teams can make a comparable offer to the Cavs offer until Wiggins can be traded.

                  To be clear....I'M NOT SAYING that the Knicks offer was anywhere close to what the Bulls, Cavs, Warriors or even what the Celtics offered. I'm saying that until the Twolves accept the Cavs offer ( which I do think is the best offer ).....there is a chance that some Team is going to try to make an attempt to make a better off than the Cavs offer.

                  Who knows, the Warriors may re-consider doing a Lee+Klay offer and if that happens in that timeframe. If that happens, who knows what the TWolves may do .
                  Last edited by CableKC; 07-26-2014, 02:37 AM.
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                  • #99
                    Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    Whatever value they have.....do you think that they will be contributing on the level that LeBron will need in order to SERIOUSLY compete for a Championship over the next 2 seasons?
                    We are talking about the trade value as simply throw-ins. Please don't change that topic. I understand they are throwing anything at Minnesota to get Love, because they want a player next to him to win it all. What I am suggesting is giving up three players (Thompson, Waiters, and Bennett) for a chance to win it next year, when their bench will be horrible. Having Irving, Love, and Lebron leaves them with little other players. Delladova, Varejao, Mike Miller, and Ray Allen are their core after the "big" 3. That Cavs team would be saturated with players that are often injured.

                    Trading Waiters, Thompson and a pick could get a really good player out there for sure. Wiggins could help Lebron get to the Finals.

                    My issue is that teams gut their rosters for a big 3 or 4. Meanwhile Spurs are racking it in with a balanced roster. Melo won't win in NY because of the demand for the big name. Durant won't because of the small market teams unable to go into LT. Sure you have to have stars, but gutting a roster to get them leaves you vulnerable.

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                    • Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

                      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                      http://online.wsj.com/articles/sourc...=Chris+herring



                      I know that there was ZERO chance that the TWolves would consider this ( it's quite obvious that any other offer that the TWolves have on the table is WAY BETTER than this offer ), but this illustrates what I ( and others ) have been saying, the TWolves have the luxury of waiting it out for another month to see if other Teams can make a comparable offer to the Cavs offer until Wiggins can be traded.

                      To be clear....I'M NOT SAYING that the Knicks offer was anywhere close to what the Bulls, Cavs, Warriors or even what the Celtics offered. I'm saying that until the Twolves accept the Cavs offer ( which I do think is the best offer ).....there is a chance that some Team is going to try to make an attempt to make a better off than the Cavs offer.

                      Who knows, the Warriors may re-consider doing a Lee+Klay offer and if that happens in that timeframe. If that happens, who knows what the TWolves may do .
                      FWIW I have absolutely no idea what the Twolves are considering. I mean it seems like they are holding on forever hoping the Warriors change their mind about Klay Thompson or something.

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                      • Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

                        Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                        We are talking about the trade value as simply throw-ins. Please don't change that topic. I understand they are throwing anything at Minnesota to get Love, because they want a player next to him to win it all.
                        Fine, throw any 2 Man combination of Thompson/Waiters/Bennett to the TWolves along with Wiggins.

                        Cuz that's what the TWolves will expect to get from the Cavs....Wiggins+whatever. Anything minus Wiggins is going to be comprable ( at best ) to what the Bulls or Warriors can offer.

                        Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                        What I am suggesting is giving up three players (Thompson, Waiters, and Bennett) for a chance to win it next year, when their bench will be horrible.

                        Having Irving, Love, and Lebron leaves them with little other players. Delladova, Varejao, Mike Miller, and Ray Allen are their core after the "big" 3. That Cavs team would be saturated with players that are often injured.

                        Trading Waiters, Thompson and a pick could get a really good player out there for sure. Wiggins could help Lebron get to the Finals.

                        My issue is that teams gut their rosters for a big 3 or 4. Meanwhile Spurs are racking it in with a balanced roster. Melo won't win in NY because of the demand for the big name. Durant won't because of the small market teams unable to go into LT. Sure you have to have stars, but gutting a roster to get them leaves you vulnerable.
                        That's the way that it works with a Team that is "bought" ( not built ). That's the way that it ( sort of ) worked in Miami and the way that it will end up working in Cleveland.

                        That's the price to be paid for getting a MAX Level Player that is considered an ELITE Level Player while having 2 other MAXED out Players on the Salary Cap. Teams will have a Top-Heavy Salary structure where the vast majority of the Salary is devoted to the Top 3 Players. The price will likely be to give up Wiggins and build a similar roster to the type of roster that the Heat had, a Top Heavy Salary Capped Team that is surrounded by near Elite Level 3pt shooters and cheaper Vets to fill out the roster that have the experience to help win now....and not later. What's the downside of having cheap but experienced Vets? They are older and will more than likely be oft-injured.

                        Should the Cavs have to give up Wiggins to get KLove? Depends on how much the Cavs value Wiggins and how much they want to get KLove.

                        IMHO....I don't think that going with a Big 3 is the way to go. I think that having 2 Elite Players and then spread out the rest Salary Cap to create a much deeper and much better Starting Lineup with higher Quality Starters is the way to go.

                        Unfortunately, The TWolves are in the position to ask for Wiggins ( cuz they have multiple bidders for KLove that have what could be considered comparable offers....depending on what the TWolves want to do with the roster ), even if one may not think that KLove isn't worth that much. Why? cuz they know that LeBron WANTS to win now, the Cavs MUST win in the next 2 years ( since there is a chance that LeBron can leave after his current contract is up ) and the current roster that the Cavs have won't accomplish that.
                        Last edited by CableKC; 07-26-2014, 07:24 PM.
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                        • Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

                          Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                          FWIW I have absolutely no idea what the Twolves are considering. I mean it seems like they are holding on forever hoping the Warriors change their mind about Klay Thompson or something.
                          They have another month to wait it out to see if the Warriors buckle.
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                          • Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

                            Waiters has been Rodney stuckey 2.0 so far in his career and Thompson has been one of the NBA's laziest players. The only people who give either of these guys much value beyond their cheap rookie deals is due to them being top-5 draft picks and not actually watching them play.
                            Last edited by Kstat; 07-26-2014, 07:26 PM.

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                            • Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

                              Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                              Larry Bird needs to make a push and offer David West for Tristan Thomspon and Bennett...
                              I'd rather offer West and a future 1st for Marcus Morris and Dragic or Marcus Morris and Bledsoe.

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                              • Re: Bulls Making A Push For Kevin Love

                                Blah blah blah. Bulls doing this, bulls doing that blah blah blah. Tired of hearing about the Bulls. Bullsht bulls

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