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  • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

    ya all lets blame this on the LEGEND. not the fact we got a 7'2 center that can barely stand on his own two feet when a strong wind gust enters the buiding. and we got one 23 year old sending pics of his junk out and knocking up strippers. nother 23 year old playing the nba game like its a rucker park and 1 video all while trying to get paid in the process.

    boo ****** hooo.. maybe these guys should talk about their feelings and eat bonn bonns or something so we all can get over the loss of danny granger.


    somebody get this SOFT *** team a tampon. maybe bosh can spare some of his while in town.

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    • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

      Originally posted by TinManJoshua View Post
      His turnover numbers sure didn't.
      Yeah, it may have backfired. Maybe not surprising when you dial back your aggressiveness and play more tentatively.
      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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      • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
        I mean does it really seem as simple as "Just going to what we used to do" at this point? I feel like they said something similar to this right after the 4 game losing streak.
        You can discount it because it was only one game, but I think people would agree that's exactly what we did in beating Chicago. It may not be simple to sustain it, but it seems pretty clear that doing it works.
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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        • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

          Originally posted by presto123 View Post
          Not in Feb. They were like 10-1. They were 9-6 in March I think. Not exactly horrible. I do see your point though. It can be done.
          We went 10-5 in January and 9-3 in February. Similarly to the Mavs those are not exactly horrible numbers. That's the main reason why I've been saying for a long time that contrary to popular belief we haven't been sucking for the whole 2014.

          Our March, though, really does suck. We have gone 6-7 in that month which is quite comparable to the 8-8 January that the Mavs had in 2010.
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
          Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            I tell ya, that's a truly brilliant idea. Let's get rid of our most consistent player with no way to replace him. I'm sure that will improve the team.

            Let's do it so the guys that have been playing like crap can have more shots! Brilliant!

            Lance has been the scapegoat for this team from day 1. If I was him I'd just leave and find a team that doesn't blame him for everything.
            "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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            • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

              Originally posted by Peck View Post
              Sadly I wonder if we don't have another Jermaine O'Neal/Ron Artest thing going on.

              Jermaine was supposed to be the star player but Ron Artest did not feel like he was the best player on the team and in fact Ron felt like he deserved the attention that Jermaine was getting so it kept bubbling over and over and over till Ron and Jermaine could not get along.

              Well Paul is the star but Lance has actually played more consistent and at times better than Paul.

              I hate to admit this part but this is one of the reasons why you somewhat have to admire LeBron & Wade because they actually have made it work.
              I don't think it is all that impressive that Lebron and Wade are able to play together. They know themselves. They know how good each one is compared to the other, and they know what each one is and isn't capable of. When you know that it is easy to play together if you care more about winning than being the number one option. Paul and Lance don't. Neither really play within themselves yet. While I think Lance accepts that Paul is better, or at least is the number 1 option, I don't think Lance accepts that other players on the team are as good or better offensively as he is. Personally, I see him as similar to Roy on offense. There are times where he looks dominate, but is unreliable as a focus on offense. I think West and Hill are better suited to be the second and third option on the team, amongst the starters.

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              • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

                Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                We went 10-5 in January and 9-3 in February. Similarly to the Mavs those are not exactly horrible numbers. That's the main reason why I've been saying for a long time that contrary to popular belief we haven't been sucking for the whole 2014.

                Our March, though, really does suck. We have gone 6-7 in that month which is quite comparable to the 8-8 January that the Mavs had in 2010.

                Nuntius, if this team were playing in the WC do you think we would be playing for HCA. All im saying is our record is a bit misleading when you factor in were playing the JV conference. You can say well.. Miami.. this.. Miami .. that..

                Miami has raised two banners, played more games, and has rested DWADE, Oden, for about half the season. they get the benefit of the doubt.

                In all fairness, this Pacers team should have wrapped up HCA in the East ten games ago. Just don't let our record vs weak comp fool you. We got glaring weaknesses which I know you are well aware of.. and were about to get exposed if we don't get our ****** together ASAP.

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                  Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                  Yeah, it may have backfired. Maybe not surprising when you dial back your aggressiveness and play more tentatively.
                  Lance is playing tentatively?!?!?! That doesn't pass the almighty eye test.

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                    Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                    I tell ya, that's a truly brilliant idea. Let's get rid of our most consistent player with no way to replace him. I'm sure that will improve the team.

                    Let's do it so the guys that have been playing like crap can have more shots! Brilliant!

                    Lance has been the scapegoat for this team from day 1. If I was him I'd just leave and find a team that doesn't blame him for everything.
                    I don't think you quite understand what anyone is saying, or the interactions between the players on the court. Carmelo Anthony puts up consistently great numbers, but his ego and style of play are not conducive to winning championships. Most teams these days seem to want to get rid of Rudy Gay as soon as they get him because despite his numbers, he doesn't help his teams max out their talent. This is why I have so much respect for Lebron the basketball player. He makes everyone on his team better. The same cannot be said of Melo and Gay, and currently Lance. Last year and early this year Lance did the stuff that helped his teammates to be better players. It is what made him so valuable in the first place, and is the same reason why the Bobcats value McBob. He does the things that help the players around him to play to the best of their ability. Lance doesn't do that anymore. So while his stats still look good, he isn't doing the things that helped made the team as a whole so good.

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                      Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                      Nuntius, if this team were playing in the WC do you think we would be playing for HCA. All im saying is our record is a bit misleading when you factor in were playing the JV conference. You can say well.. Miami.. this.. Miami .. that..

                      Miami has raised two banners, played more games, and has rested DWADE, Oden, for about half the season. they get the benefit of the doubt.

                      In all fairness, this Pacers team should have wrapped up HCA in the East ten games ago. Just don't let our record vs weak comp fool you. We got glaring weaknesses which I know you are well aware of.. and were about to get exposed if we don't get our ****** together ASAP.
                      If this team was playing in the WC then we wouldn't be built that way. We're not in the WC, though, so it's irrelevant.

                      Look, it's true that we have weaknesses. Our biggest weakness is that we went away from our smashmouth identity. We need to recapture that identity and utilize our front court. This team is not designed to win as a perimeter team.

                      PS: The East has been quite good in 2014, by the way.
                      Originally posted by IrishPacer
                      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                      • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

                        yall.. i got this growing hunch lance is just one of those guys that's got oodles of talent but rubs teammates the wrong way. i read this on a bulls forum and one of the commenters said would you want that guy on your team (ie lance Stephenson)

                        think about it,,, its like boogie cousins.. great talent but a real pain in the *** to play with. i know guys like this.. anyone who has ever played the game has prob had an incident where a dude on your team was very highly skilled but he ither hogged the ball, or was just overall selfish in general. not saying that's lance but just using the example.

                        sure that guy helped you win but ya hated playing with him. im wondering if lance has become that type of guy. i mean we all see his mannerisms on the court. as bad as hibbs may have been speaking to the media and hinting at lance as an issue at least he didn't do it on the court like lance has done at times.

                        point blank,, the maturity of this team excluding DWEST is beginning to sicken me.

                        im sick and tired of lances crazy *** antics on the court. the showmanship that has replaced sportsmanship to some degree. the immaturity of both PG and Lance each in their own way is too much for our starting lineup imo.

                        if lance is the issue i would love to bring in turner and let him run with our first unit. he has a more polished and mature game that i hope would fit right in.

                        just all the hot dogging etc etc that lance brings is uncalled for. i know some fans get into it but i don't believe it makes any difference in the win columns. i wish lance would realize that. PG im not sure what the hell to say about him.

                        something suggests PG is one of the guys Bird referenced as not 100% committed to their job. anyways.. lances demeanor has really changed for the most part since right about or just prior to the Turner trade.

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                        • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

                          I'm not sure if anybody has mentioned this or not regarding the Granger trade possibly affecting the team....

                          Chicago is 26-13 since the Luol Deng trade. If this team is upset about the trade, they need to take a look at their collective bank accounts and get over it.

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                          • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

                            Originally posted by dgranger17 View Post
                            I'm not sure if anybody has mentioned this or not regarding the Granger trade possibly affecting the team....

                            Chicago is 26-13 since the Luol Deng trade. If this team is upset about the trade, they need to take a look at their collective bank accounts and get over it.
                            I don't think it has anything to do with being upset over the trade, if that was the case you would see a lack of effort. They are still playing with effort, just not as a team. It may have affected the inner workings of the locker room, after all he was looked up to by most of the players and was most definitely a leader if not the leader in the locker room.

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                            • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

                              Originally posted by Peck View Post
                              Sadly I wonder if we don't have another Jermaine O'Neal/Ron Artest thing going on.

                              Jermaine was supposed to be the star player but Ron Artest did not feel like he was the best player on the team and in fact Ron felt like he deserved the attention that Jermaine was getting so it kept bubbling over and over and over till Ron and Jermaine could not get along.

                              Well Paul is the star but Lance has actually played more consistent and at times better than Paul.

                              I hate to admit this part but this is one of the reasons why you somewhat have to admire LeBron & Wade because they actually have made it work.
                              That situation developed because JO wasn't as good as he thought he was and Artest was easily as important or more important to the team, yet JO demanded he be the leader and he be options 1, 2, and 3.... Total Diva.

                              Reggie Miller had enough respect of the team, and maturity, to realize he needed both of those guys and so he could just play along. Artest OTOH wanted no part of playing along and humoring O'Neal. And Artest was also bats--- crazy. Meanwhile, O'Neal didn't have the maturity to realize how important Artest was to his own game or team success and continued to press all the wrong buttons.

                              But the gist of it is, if you want to be the undisputed #1 on the team then you need to play like it. The rest then takes care of itself....
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                              ------

                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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                              • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

                                Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                                I don't think you quite understand what anyone is saying, or the interactions between the players on the court. Carmelo Anthony puts up consistently great numbers, but his ego and style of play are not conducive to winning championships. Most teams these days seem to want to get rid of Rudy Gay as soon as they get him because despite his numbers, he doesn't help his teams max out their talent. This is why I have so much respect for Lebron the basketball player. He makes everyone on his team better. The same cannot be said of Melo and Gay, and currently Lance. Last year and early this year Lance did the stuff that helped his teammates to be better players. It is what made him so valuable in the first place, and is the same reason why the Bobcats value McBob. He does the things that help the players around him to play to the best of their ability. Lance doesn't do that anymore. So while his stats still look good, he isn't doing the things that helped made the team as a whole so good.
                                Lance averages 11 shots a game, and leads the team in assists. He is no way like Rudy Gay or Carmelo Anthony.
                                "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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