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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
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Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?"
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
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We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*""Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?
"In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
I guess if I hadn't closed the game thread this wouldn't have happened.
BillS
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
You seem to love stats.Originally posted by PacersPride View PostI left the board for several months, but the last thread I was highly engaged in was regarding Roy Hibbert's rebounding numbers. Now that we are over 50%+ through the season I would like to highlight some of Roys Hibberts stats cause I need a good laugh today and the BS excuses some folks come up with are quite entertaining.
What I would like to know first is was a verdict ever reached on this topic? I believe the OP somewhat posed the question in manner that did not attack the subject at its core but its all good. We can delve into this further now that over half the season has been played out and we got stats to back **** up. What we really should be examining is whether Roy Hibbert is a great rebounder? If not great then what is he to be considered rebounding wise at the pricetag of 15M per. Good, Average, Bad??
Lets examine the stats further before we jump to any hasty conclusions.
Overall Rebounding stats rank Roy at 41st overall.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...false/count/41
A whopping .2 boards on average more than Chris "the bad *** rebounding machine" Bosh. Quite an accomplishment for our 7'2 nearly maxed out center to average the same number of boards overall as player that predominantly plays the perimeter and has so much as admitted doesnt like contact in the paint.
How about Roys offensive rebounding talent... not much better there either at a current rank of 40th.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...ualified/false
Now some of you may say.. well thats just not fair because ....... well Roy plays for the pacers and this board is dedicated to homerism... so ergo Roy is way better than those stats suggest!!!
I agree... we all should be homers and support our overpaid players no matter what. So I dove further into this subject... and found this vital stat... rebounds per 48 minutes... surely this would prove that our 7'2 stiff has the rebounding talent of basketball Gods.
Well.... imagine my shock and awe and complete surprise when Roy statistically ranks per 48 minutes at an unbelievably pathetic 72nd overall in the league.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...false/count/41
In fact, bench scrubs average more rebounds than Roy per a 48 minute contest. lol holy
thats pathetic.
So to summarize our Return on Investment for big roy.
His offense is average to sucks.
his defense is good to some nites pedestrian.
and his rebounding pretty much is average to sucks.
Just in case a conclusion was never reached... I would have to say the verdict is in midway through the season. Roy officially is average at best. However, there is still time left for him to inflate his stats vs some of the D league level teams in the East that we have yet to play multiple times this season.
Rudy Gobert got 24 rebounds last nite.. and he did it vs elite level talent. Will we ever see that type of production from Roy when it matters most vs a team with an actual center. I sure as hell hope so or Roy is a complete liability on the pacers books that is going to jeopardize our Franchise in the pursuit of an NBA Banner.
No way in hell Bird will this up when Hibbs contract is due or I will be very disappointed. Once PG gets right we are close... but Hibbs enormously overpaid contract will wreck our chances at a Banner if we offer that kinda salary to him again next offseason. Hibbert has peaked, he is not going to improve significantly over the remainder of his career in terms of offense and rebounding and I still believe his defensive impact is exaggerated in the Eastern Conference.
As far as I am concerned this topic is concluded till Roy proves otherwise. He is at best only average at rebounding the basketball per the STATS that back it up.
You also seem to know everything about pacers basketball rebounding schemes.
How do our starting wings compare in rebounding numbers compared to other teams? You know our rebounding scheme, Roy blocks out, West Blocks out, our SF and SG swoop in for the rebound. You're seriously beating a dead horse.
This is how we pay our players
GHill - get our team into the correct offense - score - amazing defense
Solo- defense and guard best wing, rebound
Miles - Score and be an average defender, rebound
West - Score, make smart plays, box out, rebound
HIBBERT - SCORE LOW POST, BE AN ELITE RIM PROTECTOR, BOX OUT. We do not push him to be this amazing rebounder you speak of. You're right, he's an average rebounder, BECAUSE IT'S OUR EFFING SYSTEM. He deserves his 15 million a year because he's an elite low post and help defender, he's 7'2" tall, and he's an above average scorer when asked to score.
GET OVER THIS.Indiana State University Alum. Hardcore Pacers fan. Racecar Driver in need of sponsorship.
www.jjhughesracing.comComment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
Then we'd just go to the other thread about Hibbert underperforming that was opened a few months back.Originally posted by BillS View PostI guess if I hadn't closed the game thread this wouldn't have happened.
I am on the Pro-Hibbert side....but I do see some valid arguments that the Hibbert-Sucks side brings up.
JMHO, but there is enough debate / discussion about Hibbert that there should just be a "All Things Hibbert" thread that should be devoted to this.Last edited by CableKC; 03-04-2015, 02:11 PM.Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
PacersPride is like the BlueNGold for Roy Hibbert.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
There is a reason why I have both ignored. I can accept someone who disagrees with me. I cannot accept someone who is unreasonable, and does not present logical arguments.Originally posted by immortality View PostLast edited by Eleazar; 03-04-2015, 02:26 PM.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
To be fair, both BnG and PacersPride have some valid arguments / talking pointsOriginally posted by immortality View Post
about their respective Players. But just like those that disagree with them....they are all just opinions.
Both sides on both sets of discussions should just listen to a wise man that said ( just yesterday ) that we can all just "agree to disagree and simply move on".
Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
Hibberts production vs elite centers:
10/31 vs memphis
Roy 8pts, 8 rebs, 1 block
Gasol 20 pts, 6 rebs, 2 blocks
*Wheres the D?
December 10th vs Clippers
DeAndre 12-19 (rebs)- 3 blocks
Hibbert 4 - 3 - 0 blocks
* Abused by DeAndre
Dec 12 vs Toronto:
Hibbert: 6 - 2 - 2
Jonas: 10- 14 - 0 blocks
* way to box out Hibbert
12/17 vs Clippers
DeAndre: 15 pts - 23 rebs - 2 blks
Roy: 7 pts - 3 rebs - 0 blocks
*** but... but.. PacersPride... Roy is the best rim protector in the league and boxes out!!! LMFAO @ $15M. Roy is DeAndres
1/31 vs Sacramento
Boogie: 20pts - 19 rebs - 0
Boogies B****: 11pts, 7rebs, 0 blocks
* but .. but.. Pacers Pride.. your not listening.. Roy boxes out and is an ELITE rim protector!!!
Feb 8th vs Charlotte
Roy: 7 pts - 7 boards - 0 blocks
Big Al: 30 pts - 13 rebs - 1 block
*** This is a joke right. "Pacers Pride is so unreasonable"
Elite rim protection my white Roy is any elite centers *****. LMAO @ $15 per.
Roy straight up gets owned by the Elite. His stats are average overall, he gets abused by the elite, and he is way the overpaid for his production.
Do I need to go back and review last seasons stats vs the Elite and any other team that actually has a legit center on the court.
OVERRATED. OVERPAID.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
Originally posted by immortality View Post
I back my **** up. Yall can bury your head all you want. The FACTS and STATS back my *** up. Anyone who says im unreasonable I question your true loyalty to the FRANCHISE.
Roy at $15M is a joke.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
Well said.Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
For every good game Roy has vs Elite I can find ten where he got abused. All day long and twice on Sunday my friend. If you love the Blue & Gold then why support a player that is sinking the ship at 20% of the cap.
Roy should give half his salary to Coach Vogel ... Frank deserves it more than Roy does.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
PP, tell me your thoughts on literally any other player on the Pacers. Seriously.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
Up to this point I've only ever put 2 posters on ignore and 1 of them was banned.Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
You've talked me into it, time for #3.Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
Why don't you go ahead and review the other games THIS season vs the elite?Originally posted by PacersPride View PostHibberts production vs elite centers:
10/31 vs memphis
Roy 8pts, 8 rebs, 1 block
Gasol 20 pts, 6 rebs, 2 blocks
*Wheres the D?
December 10th vs Clippers
DeAndre 12-19 (rebs)- 3 blocks
Hibbert 4 - 3 - 0 blocks
* Abused by DeAndre
Dec 12 vs Toronto:
Hibbert: 6 - 2 - 2
Jonas: 10- 14 - 0 blocks
* way to box out Hibbert
12/17 vs Clippers
DeAndre: 15 pts - 23 rebs - 2 blks
Roy: 7 pts - 3 rebs - 0 blocks
*** but... but.. PacersPride... Roy is the best rim protector in the league and boxes out!!! LMFAO @ $15M. Roy is DeAndres
1/31 vs Sacramento
Boogie: 20pts - 19 rebs - 0
Boogies B****: 11pts, 7rebs, 0 blocks
* but .. but.. Pacers Pride.. your not listening.. Roy boxes out and is an ELITE rim protector!!!
Feb 8th vs Charlotte
Roy: 7 pts - 7 boards - 0 blocks
Big Al: 30 pts - 13 rebs - 1 block
*** This is a joke right. "Pacers Pride is so unreasonable"
Elite rim protection my white Roy is any elite centers *****. LMAO @ $15 per.
Roy straight up gets owned by the Elite. His stats are average overall, he gets abused by the elite, and he is way the overpaid for his production.
Do I need to go back and review last seasons stats vs the Elite and any other team that actually has a legit center on the court.
OVERRATED. OVERPAID.
I'm sure if you didn't cherry pick the games and are only concerned with the facts you won't have a problem showing Hibbert's other games versus these centers.Time for a new sig.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
Roy is the 2nd highest paid player on the Pacers. He is lucky he dont play in NY or Boston. As fragile as Roy is... it would not be a good thing. The 2nd highest paid player on the team needs to play like it. The backlash I have received for busting Roy's b*lls is BS.Originally posted by cdash View Post
His disappearance act last season cost his team, the fans, and the Franchise a shot at the NBA Finals. Thank God he does something positive with that overinflated contract... oh now i get it.
We got Area 55 on here.... FFS...
well i aint selling out. My passion for the pacers is falling on deaf ears. this.
Go Pacers.Comment
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Re: Myth Buster: Is Roy Hibbert A Bad Rebounder?
I know how you feel about Roy. There isn't a poster or lurker on this site who doesn't know how you feel about Roy at this point. It is extremely well documented. I'm asking you about any other player on the Pacers. Any of them.Originally posted by PacersPride View PostRoy is the 2nd highest paid player on the Pacers. He is lucky he dont play in NY or Boston. As fragile as Roy is... it would not be a good thing. The 2nd highest paid player on the team needs to play like it. The backlash I have received for busting Roy's b*lls is BS.
His disappearance act last season cost his team, the fans, and the Franchise a shot at the NBA Finals. Thank God he does something positive with that overinflated contract... oh now i get it.
We got Area 55 on here.... FFS...
well i aint selling out. My passion for the pacers is falling on deaf ears. this.
Go Pacers.Comment
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