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Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

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  • #61
    Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

    Jesus, I didn't see the game, but what'd he do so badly? Looking at the box score, it seems like he did alright. I'd chill a bit dude.

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    • #62
      Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

      Originally posted by Just View Post
      Jesus, I didn't see the game, but what'd he do so badly? Looking at the box score, it seems like he did alright. I'd chill a bit dude.
      18 minutes, 3 points, 5 boards. Yeah thats pretty good you're right.

      Dude was claiming when DH gets PT he is automatically a dominant force. Well tonight was a perfect chance with lots of PT with a questionable interior defense and he laid an egg, plain and simple.


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      • #63
        Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

        Originally posted by indy0731
        18 minutes, 3 points, 5 boards. Yeah thats pretty good you're right.

        Dude was claiming when DH gets PT he is automatically a dominant force. Well tonight was a perfect chance with lots of PT with a questionable interior defense and he laid an egg, plain and simple.

        No doubt Harrison did not look good tonight, but did anyone look good?
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        • #64
          Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

          Originally posted by indy0731
          18 minutes, 3 points, 5 boards. Yeah thats pretty good you're right.

          Dude was claiming when DH gets PT he is automatically a dominant force. Well tonight was a perfect chance with lots of PT with a questionable interior defense and he laid an egg, plain and simple.
          First of all, in 18 minutes, 5 rebounds is perfectly acceptable and 3 blocks is fantastic.
          And as I said in the other thread, he took a whopping 2 shots. He made 1 of them. If ball hogs like Jackson and Jasikevicius (who shot a combined 3-17 ) would know their role and pass him the ball, the team wouldn't have shot 38% and wouldn't have been utterly humiliated by a middle of the pack team like the Wizards.

          Now please go drool over James "NBA caliber? Not Quite" White

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          • #65
            Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

            Originally posted by PacersFan83 View Post
            First of all, in 18 minutes, 5 rebounds is perfectly acceptable and 3 blocks is fantastic.
            83, like you I have a little more faith or make that hope that Harrison will improve. However, sometimes you can polish a turd and it's still a turd. Many of David's rebounds came in the sloppy 4th. He didn't have a pretty game last night no matter how it is spinned. Once again though everyone looked pretty bad so the verdict is still out for me. I think the guy presses too much when he is out there thinking he's going to be pulled quick. Thus he get's into this scrambling mode thinking he has to cover everybody. Of course it didn't help considering the penetration by the Wiz guards.
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            • #66
              Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

              Originally posted by PacersFan83 View Post
              First of all, in 18 minutes, 5 rebounds is perfectly acceptable and 3 blocks is fantastic.
              And as I said in the other thread, he took a whopping 2 shots. He made 1 of them. If ball hogs like Jackson and Jasikevicius (who shot a combined 3-17 ) would know their role and pass him the ball, the team wouldn't have shot 38% and wouldn't have been utterly humiliated by a middle of the pack team like the Wizards.

              Now please go drool over James "NBA caliber? Not Quite" White
              You're really hitting this one hard, man. Is there some deep-seated need to bag on Harrison?

              Harrison has the capability to be a very good backup center or a decent starter. But he's not going to get there without PT.
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              • #67
                Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

                First of all, it was just one game. A players worth can't be fairly evaluated by just a couple of games but a collection of games. I'm not anymore high or any less high on David Harrison's future. You're lying to yourself when trying to defend his performance against the Wizards though. He got a block on the first possesion and then fell apart. That second foul on Thomas was ridiculous. He tried to take his head off instead of playing NBA defense. He once again proved his immaturity, and with only like 3 and half minutes elapsed. It's not like he and Thomas had been going at it for 35 minutes. I repeat three and half minutes. All of his other stats came at the end of the game in mop up time. If Harrison doesn't right his ship the Pacers may just let him vanish at sea. Based on his performance throughout his career, not just one game, he does this all the time. Emotions and fouls are part of the game. If you can't control them how is that any different than throwing the ball away?
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                • #68
                  Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

                  If that trade happened, I'd believe all that trade exception for moving committee votes or whatever that Donnie Walsh pulled off. He'd have to be giving people offers they can't refuse.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

                    I reeeeeeally hate to break this to some of you ..... but this draft is not deep at any position. Sorry.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

                      and Jasikevicius (who shot a combined 3-17 ) would know their role and pass him the ball,
                      Um, yeah, I have to call BS on this one. Cabbages and Hulk have a freaking mind-meld going. SJ typically looks addicated to passing to David. I feel safe in saying that most of SarJas assists last year or this have come with David on the scoring end.

                      David does it to himself. He struggles for post position often, rebounding position is worse, he is the king of the pointless, silly foul, and then he eventually loses his temper and effectively removes himself from the game.

                      IF he gets post position and they get the ball to him, then he's extremely tough. Great footwork with the ball in the post, very polished. He's nowhere near that good in getting the position in the first place, which is why the high PnR between he and Cabbages has been the staple of his scoring output.


                      And Cable, try mixing in an option that doesn't include where you think Rick is a moron who can't coach. Does Rick not use him even though he's good or does he just suck because Rick never developed him?

                      How about RC is not deaf, dumb and blind and notices things like his center picking up his 3rd foul, or hulking out on a ref, or getting abused on the defensive end when out of position? He gets him in games and calls his number within the next few possessions all the time.

                      Get back to me when he doesn't do that in fact. After that David has to impose himself into the flow a little bit. They can't spend 20 seconds of shot clock waiting on him to work himself free below the FT tip ring.

                      I like David's strengths and his potential, but I have concerns about how much of it he will ever meet. I don't want him gone and I expect him to have plenty of strong games. But the fact is that he appears to be a guy that could have a lot more than plenty; they could be the norm if he'd just figure it out.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

                        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                        I like David's strengths and his potential, but I have concerns about how much of it he will ever meet. I don't want him gone and I expect him to have plenty of strong games. But the fact is that he appears to be a guy that could have a lot more than plenty; they could be the norm if he'd just figure it out.
                        That will never happen though Seth. Look if Harrison doesn't look any better with being tutored by Jabbar then forget it. Oh, wait it's that Bynum guy who has a big man coach in Jabbar and starting to really open eyes.

                        The Pacers think having Harrison work with Chuck and JO (when he is injured) is enough. Of course we know Harrison doesn't want to improve so why try? After all he gained all that weight over the summer because he's too lazy.
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                        • #72
                          Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

                          Originally posted by RWB View Post
                          That will never happen though Seth. Look if Harrison doesn't look any better with being tutored by Jabbar then forget it. Oh, wait it's that Bynum guy who has a big man coach in Jabbar and starting to really open eyes.

                          The Pacers think having Harrison work with Chuck and JO (when he is injured) is enough. Of course we know Harrison doesn't want to improve so why try? After all he gained all that weight over the summer because he's too lazy.
                          There's truth there.

                          Chuck Person is our big man coach. Yikes.
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                          • #73
                            Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

                            Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                            You're really hitting this one hard, man. Is there some deep-seated need to bag on Harrison?

                            Harrison has the capability to be a very good backup center or a decent starter. But he's not going to get there without PT.
                            You're obviously misreading. I've been the one defending Harrison throughout the whole topic.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

                              Well it's finally happening. Harrison is going to the Bulls tonight.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Did anyone hear the Harrison to the Bulls rumor?

                                Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                                There's truth there.

                                Chuck Person is our big man coach. Yikes.
                                Have you not been near Chuck in person recently?
                                Dude would drop dead if he had to run with the SG/SFs.


                                My view on this more seriously is that Harrison's FOOT WORK in the post is the best thing about his game, so I don't see the problem there. It's not about being taught I don't think, it's about effort and ability to read ever-changing situations.

                                Look, you can coach a guy on what to do in a certain situation, but smart players learn the reasons behind those methods and can apply them when the situation changes during the game. They use different methods to reach the same goal, while a player than doesn't understand what they are learning will just try to pound those same methods into a situation where they won't work.

                                I have my concerns that David is this type of player. When players like Jack and Tinsley are able to more easily get post position than Harrison, I have doubts that's it's just a lack of coaching. He can't adjust when team's deny him post position in unexpected or aggressive ways, or when plays just blow up and need some improvation.

                                To me David is a VERY good player when everything is laid out in a familiar way for him during the game. If he can get into a comfort spot then he plays very well, but if he's not starting from a familiar situation he struggles to adapt or improvise. And that's not just as simple as being a young player. Some guys have instincts for that stuff and some never do get it.

                                Naturally it improves the more you play because eventually you do start to see even the odd plays enough for them to look familiar. But experience or coaching don't have an equal impact on all players...athletic ability isn't the only aspect to potential.

                                David might just end up being a guy that only looks great in certain circumstances tailored to help him find his way. That would mean that he'll never hit starter level ability, even if Jabbar was brought in to coach him.

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