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Picking Luck in fantasy football

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  • #16
    Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

    It's a pretty standard FF league setup. Actually... it's the default Yahoo FF league. I set up the league, and I didn't change a single scoring option.

    And uhhhh you ever heard of Matt Ryan? 4200 yards, almost 30 touchdowns, 12 interceptions.... that's a pretty damn good year by any standard.
    Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 09-04-2012, 12:48 PM.
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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    • #17
      Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

      Well then yahoo is crazy for QBs. Matt Ryan was the 8th best fantasy QB last year and in my espn league scored about 331 points over the season. The point being though, the 8th best QB scored twice as many points as the best kicker. So yes, kickers are irrelevant over the course of a whole season.


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      • #18
        Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

        But you only get 1 of each there, broseph. Why are you two comparing the QB position to the K? You get so many roster slots and each one needs to produce. If kickers and everyone else except your starting QB and RB don't matter, then try something for me --- you start your best QB and RB all year, and clear out the rest of your roster and let me know how you do.

        You and BRush related?
        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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        • #19
          Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

          You are completely missing the point. Swapping out Akers for the next best kicker loses you a whopping 26 points over the course of the whole season. Matt Ryan and Ray Rice vs. your opponent's counters to those two will determine whether you win most weeks. No one is saying they can win weeks by themselves, but generally those are the two most important spots. The kicker is not that important.

          This is like when a guy I knew in high school tried to tell me he was a better basketball prospect than George Hill because he scored 6 points every night, that's consistency man! George Hill he scores 30 points one night and 50 the next, that's not consistency! And yes this is a real conversation I had, God bless the IPS system.
          Last edited by Trader Joe; 09-04-2012, 12:56 PM.


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          • #20
            Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

            Not missing the point at all, if you have that mentality with every position, then you're not going to win. Those 2-3 extra points at each position can net you up to 10-20 extra points in a week. In Yahoo at least, that can go a long way towards a win. Over-generalization is bad, mmkay.
            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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            • #21
              Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              This is like when a guy I knew in high school tried to tell me he was a better basketball prospect than George Hill because he scored 6 points every night, that's consistency man! George Hill he scores 30 points one night and 50 the next, that's not consistency! And yes this is a real conversation I had, God bless the IPS system.
              How the hell is that even remotely close to the same thing? I'm talking about not ignoring a kicker, I drafted mine in the 8th-9th rounds for chrissakes. Not like I'm taking him #1 overall. I'm simply taking slight exception to the comment that anyone who takes a kicker before the 12th round is basically an idiot. They're not. A kicker can score points just like any other position, in fact they can score as much or more than most positions except probably your starting QB and RB positions (and maybe WR if you land a top 3 stud), and isn't that what fantasy football is all about? Scoring points?
              Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 09-04-2012, 01:15 PM.
              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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              • #22
                Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

                If you select a kicker before the last or second to last round, you're doing it wrong. Saying other people don't realize how important the kicker is only hurts your point because it means you could probably still get fantasy MVP David Akers in those late rounds and not give up a chance at getting a very good positional player.

                The point is, kickers generally score in the same range. Akers season last year was an outlier. After him, John Kasay (No. 2 fantasy kicker) and Nick Novak (No. 12 fantasy kicker) last season were separated by a whopping 18 points.


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                • #23
                  Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

                  That's funny, I typically dominate or are in the top 1-2 my leagues in scoring every year... I guess I need to learn how to do it "right".

                  (Ironically, after smearing everyone all season long averaging 110-120 points, I then proceed to inexplicably lay a 60-point egg every year in the first round of the playoffs, but tha's a whole other story. Or mayyyybe, I shouldn't have drafted my kicker before round 12..... hm.......)
                  Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 09-04-2012, 01:12 PM.
                  There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

                    Well I can tell you it's certainly not because of your kicker. The year before Akers record breaking year, the leading kicker scored 158 points, the year before that 158 again, the year before that 159. And almost everyone of those years the difference between that number 1 kicker and the number 10 kicker was roughly 25-30 points.

                    Compare that to the number 1 wide receiver and the number 10 wide receiver for example, the difference is usually about 50 points over the course of a season and has been as much as 100 points different.

                    Sure kickers are nice reliable scorers, but specificlaly going after one like David Akers, just isn't a very sound strategy. It's unlikely he repeats last season ever again.
                    Last edited by Trader Joe; 09-04-2012, 01:13 PM.


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                    • #25
                      Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

                      You're right, it's not just my kicker, it's also every other position in addition to the starting QB and RB. Last year it was The Gronk who carried me through some tough times, who'da thunk a TE would be a fantasy monster.
                      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

                        TE's have been rare fantasy monsters pretty much since the year 2000. I had Gronkowski last year as well. No one is saying that TE's don't have high upside. A top end TE is worth more than top end kicker because of the difference between the number 1 TE and the number 10 TE.
                        Last edited by Trader Joe; 09-04-2012, 01:16 PM.


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                        • #27
                          Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          Well I can tell you it's certainly not because of your kicker. The year before Akers record breaking year, the leading kicker scored 158 points, the year before that 158 again, the year before that 159. And almost everyone of those years the difference between that number 1 kicker and the number 10 kicker was roughly 25-30 points.

                          Compare that to the number 1 wide receiver and the number 10 wide receiver for example, the difference is usually about 50 points over the course of a season and has been as much as 100 points different.

                          Sure kickers are nice reliable scorers, but specificlaly going after one like David Akers, just isn't a very sound strategy. It's unlikely he repeats last season ever again.
                          There's four times the number of receivers than kickers. In a typical 3 WR fantasy team, by the time you get to the 3rd WR and you have 9-11 other teams drafting in your league, the pickens is slim. Point differentials and all that absolutely have zero bearing on this subject at all --- a top-flight K will outscore almost every 3rd receiver, and yet if you select a K before your 3rd receiver the entire room will snicker at you. It's silly. And those same dopes who snicker whine and complain all season long as I run up the score on them. There's common perceptions and then there's actuality. You can't just say "it's the f'n kicker, they suck, you don't even need to draft 'em" if you want to have a serious attempt at winning your league, unless you are relying on just pure blind luck and some monster fantasy stud... which..... is completely feasible. Had a guy one year not even show up to the draft or set his roster --- and won the damn championship. We had to inform him that he won after the fact, and he was like "oh... sweet."
                          There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

                            Dude, you're making it sound like a kicker has a David Akers 2011 season every year. Which just isn't even close to being true.


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                            • #29
                              Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

                              I don't do ESPN fantasy, so maybe that's the disconnect we're having.
                              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Picking Luck in fantasy football

                                Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                                Dude, you're making it sound like a kicker has a David Akers 2011 season every year. Which just isn't even close to being true.
                                Have I even mentioned Akers in my past 10 posts? My thoughts aren't just around Akers, they are what I go by every year in fantasy, been doing it for over a decade now. Even a non-Akers top-3 kicker will generally outscore a #3 WR or TE.

                                Let me put it this way. Let's play out a draft:

                                It's round 8. I've drafted 2 QBs, 2 RBs, 1 TE, 2 WRs for example. What are left are a bunch of 3rd rate receivers and then all three top kickers are available. The best WR available scored maybe 90 points last year. The best kicker scored 150. You're saying it's not wise for me to select the guy who scored 150 points last year, rather than picking up a defense or backup RB who will get maybe 1-2 starts or the best WR available last year who is a slot receiver that scored about 80 points last year?

                                If you don't see sense in that, then I can't help ya.
                                Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 09-04-2012, 01:32 PM.
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