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  • #16
    Re: Offending Indy

    I'm sorry, i just don't put much faith in this city....we are gonna have a majority of bandwagon Heat fans in the building, just like the regular season.

    Indiana has the standard midwest inferiority complex...why should I root for my home team when the other team has those guys on it! Well never be as good as those guys!
    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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    • #17
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      Who cares about all this. I just care about the games. Pacers win that is all I care about.

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      • #18
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        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
        I'm sorry, i just don't put much faith in this city....we are gonna have a majority of bandwagon Heat fans in the building, just like the regular season.
        This is what we will see. At least with the Chicago fans, we knew a number of them were actually from the Chicago area, and were here to support THEIR home area team. Most of them anyway (At least I think so).

        With the Heat, it will be more of the band-wagoners and wannabes and 14 year-olds who don't know any better than to think wearing a James or Wade jersey makes them cool. Saddest part is most of those people will be from the Indy area.

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        • #19
          Re: Offending Indy

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          Who cares about all this. I just care about the games. Pacers win that is all I care about.
          Well to a certain extent i agree with you. Pacer's winning is what is most important. However, this team is poised for a great run of successful seasons over the next 5-8 years. Successful teams do not stay in markets that do not support them attendance wise. If we have a bunch of Heat fans at BLFH during the 2nd round of the playoffs, well at some point he is gonna get fed up with it.
          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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          • #20
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            Indiana Pacers take preemptive strike against Miami Heat
            Don King must be the Pacers’ new director of public relations.

            A less-than-exciting, second-round series for the Heat took a turn toward slightly interesting Wednesday and Thursday when the Pacers’ All-Star center and then the team’s coach tossed a few verbal jabs Miami’s way. King, the master boxing promoter, would be impressed.

            First, Indiana center Roy Hibbert fired off a shot at the Heat when he set in motion the team-vs.-collection-of-superstars narrative. Then, as if that wasn’t enough pregame trash talk for one second-round series, Pacers coach Frank Vogel took it a step further when he said Thursday that the Heat’s defense is a flop machine.

            “They are the biggest flopping team in the NBA,” Vogel said.

            Vogel, who finished third in voting this season for the NBA’s Coach of the Year Award, is no doubt preparing league officials for what’s sure to be a physical series. For his part, Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said Wednesday that he expects the series to be “played in a cage.” The Heat, which was tied for fourth in the league this season in charges drawn per game (2.3), absorbed seven offensive fouls in its first-round win over the Knicks.

            Although wingmen Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Danny Granger will headline the Eastern Conference semifinals matchup, the series could hinge on the battle inside the paint. That’s where the Pacers command a height advantage with Hibbert at center and David West at power forward.

            Hibbert inserted himself into the pre-series conversation shortly after the Pacers dispatched the Orlando Magic in the first round. No doubt riding high on a profound sense of accomplishment, Hibbert took a thinly veiled dig at the Heat on Wednesday. Basically, Hibbert thinks the Pacers are a from-scratch, ground-up organization whereas the Heat’s success was built overnight.

            “We didn’t do this the easy way,” Hibbert told the Indianapolis Star. “It took time. But Larry Bird and David Morway drafted well. We got [David] West. We got George Hill, Leandro [Barbosa] and Lou [Amundson] for almost nothing. We didn’t do this by signing a couple of superstars.”

            The Heat, of course, became an instant contender last season after re-signing Wade and bringing in James and Chris Bosh. This is the Pacers’ first appearance in the Eastern Conference semifinals since losing to the Pistons in 2005.

            James complimented the Pacers’ “team-oriented game” Wednesday and said he expects the series “to be fun.” Compared with the Knicks, Wade said the Pacers “are a better team.”

            “It will be a tougher series for us,” Wade said. “Indiana plays a lot more in the post. That’s a very good team. … Most teams try to play physical against us. We expect it to be just as physical.”

            Although the Heat made quick work of the Knicks, Miami actually lost the rebounding battle in the first four games of its first-round series. Establishing a presence inside will fall to Bosh and the Heat’s collection of marginal centers. They didn’t play a role against the Knicks, but centers Ronny Turiaf and Dexter Pittman could be called into service against the Pacers.

            “We know what they bring,” Bosh said. “They can shoot the ball, they have guys that can really play inside and they have great rebounders. We just have to play our game and make sure we control the boards the best we can.”

            Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/1...#storylink=cpy

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            • #21
              Re: Offending Indy

              However, there's no question that the Heat would have toasted the Knicks even had New York's roster been intact. At the same time, the probability of the Pacers beating the gritty Magic had Dwight Howard been healthy is iffy.

              The down-and-dirty truth of this series is that the only way Miami can lose is if they defeat themselves. The too-frequent lack of concentration and lack of respect for their opponents of the moment (especially on the road) are the Heat's biggest weaknesses.


              http://www.nba.com/2012/news/feature...acers-preview/
              PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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              • #22
                Re: Offending Indy

                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                Well to a certain extent i agree with you. Pacer's winning is what is most important. However, this team is poised for a great run of successful seasons over the next 5-8 years. Successful teams do not stay in markets that do not support them attendance wise. If we have a bunch of Heat fans at BLFH during the 2nd round of the playoffs, well at some point he is gonna get fed up with it.

                Let me clarify my point. I do care about whether there are Heat fans in our Fieldhouse. I don't like that.

                What I don't care about is "respect from the national media"

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                • #23
                  Re: Offending Indy

                  We've got nothing to lose. Haven't we seen this before? Remember Reggie torching the Knicks with all of those 3's back in the 90s? How about Reggie taking Jordan two straight games in the playoffs and proving the critics wrong. When I was at the Magic game there wasn't a buzz outside and perhaps there will be a ton of HEAT fans there. However our inside players are better than theirs. I believe we can really make this a series. We just need to do one thing. BELIEVE

                  LETS GO PACERS!!!!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Offending Indy

                    Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                    I like the Pacers' confidence but if you're going to give Miami bulletin board material, they sure as hell better back it up. The Pacers will look like fools if they get blown out on Sunday.

                    I'm sure a lot of this is the Miami Herald trying to turn nothing into something. But I would have preferred if the Pacers kept quiet, spouted the usual cliches, kept allowing the media to sleep on them and then surprise everybody with a victory on Sunday. Don't give Miami something to prove, Pacers. The last thing you need is a more motivated Miami squad.
                    Last edited by Aw Heck; 05-11-2012, 11:01 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Offending Indy

                      PTI, ESPN radio, etc. almost every media outlet I listened to or watched yesterday covering the Pacers series said the Pacers are tapping at a sleeping giant.

                      I didn't even see it as trash talk, but they think it is.

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                      • #26
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                        I think that we'd rather have the Heat brimming with overconfidence and distracted. Let them be angry. As someone said above, the only way we win this series is if they beat themselves.

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                        • #27
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                          I think having any kind of confidence in winning and talking to the media about it is the worst thing a team can do.

                          Hibbert should have been talking about putting on his big-man Depends because he is so scared of the Heat he can't control himself.

                          When asked any questions, Paul George should just curl up into a fetal ball and whimper.

                          Frank Vogel should be showing off his resume and applications for janitorial staff positions since he is so outclassed by Spoelstra.

                          And Danny Granger should be abjectly apologizing to LeBron for even trying to play the same position.



                          Seriously - swagger, confidence, no hype? If that's bulletin board material some of these guys are really reaching.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • #28
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                            The Pacers have been at their best this season when both teams get pissed at each other. The Pacers have shown it focuses them and gets them at a higher level. I say let's keep it up. Let's be the annoying team that talks a little smack and doesn't back down, let's be physical. If we're gonna go down let's go down being the same team that has pissed off Kevin Love, Derrick Rose, Brandon Jennings, etc. this season. Don't change our attitude just because they are the heat, to paraphrase AJ Moye's famous quote before a certain famous sweet 16 game against a certain famous team from North Carolina in 2002... "It's not like we're playing the NBA team owned by Jesus Christ and we're playing the 12 disciples. It's just the Heat. The Heat is just a name on a jersey."


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                            • #29
                              Re: Offending Indy

                              I want the environment to be electric, so that when the Heat step in the Fieldhouse for the first time, they know it's on. Playoffs are back in Indy, the Pacers are back!

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                              • #30
                                Re: Offending Indy

                                I'm definitely getting pissed. All the experts are giving Boston a chance, despite them struggling vs Atlanta, yet Indiana is just going to get beat??

                                All this morning and a little yesterday the "experts" are talking a little about Heat/Pacers. It's become obvious they haven't watched hardly any Indiana basketball.

                                I've heard some pretty ignorant comments (from people I highly respect when it comes to basketball) but it's just clear they sort of know the Pacers rosters and are attempting to basically ******** with their analysis.

                                I heard this: "if the Heat go to LBJ at point, I don't know WTF Indiana will do!" Here's a hint "experts": They'll probably put George Hill, a guy who's played shooting guard his entire career until a few weeks ago on Wade, than they decide which SF they want to put on LBJ and Battier, whether thats Granger or George. That lineup poses absolutely NO problems whatsoever. In fact, you could actually call it an advantage, because we could put George on LBJ, George Hill on Wade, which is probably our best defender against Wade matchup wise, and Granger only has to defend Battier.

                                Than I heard this paraphrased: "Indiana needs to go to their bread and butter running the pick n pop with West/DC" HA! DC is absolutely the worst on our team at running the PnP at .72PPP . These guys are absolutely lost. Thankfully they will be well informed after this series.

                                I mean to NBA fans who don't know the Pacers, everything these guys are saying sounds good. It certainly sounds like they know what their talking about, except for the fact that everything they said is so blatantly wrong it should be embarrassing.

                                Check these tweets:

                                https://twitter.com/#!/HPbasketball/...94460350431233

                                If the Heat go to the LeBron Point God lineup with LB, DW, Miller/Battier/Bosh/Anthony... I don't know WTF Indiana does to counter.
                                And:

                                https://twitter.com/#!/HPbasketball/...01699773657089

                                Watching Pacers-Heat video. This does NOT look good for Indy.
                                ****'em. I hope we crush them. And watch the shock and surprise when a flawed Miami team loses to a team with 3 allstars.

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