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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Heat/Pacers postgame thread

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  • #31
    Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    I'm sorry for not trying to be a sunshiner here but been a realistic and yes this has already happened againts a crappy team, how about Detroit? the team that you keep saying that sucks and won't make the playoffs?


    edit: I also like to think is funny for you and other people to be the "freakout police" "if they get served another sound beatdown then we start to worry a little" a OK thanks for letting us know when to do it
    You aren't realistic. You are negative. There's a huge difference between the two.

    Detroit didn't blow us out. We lost. This is the NBA, not college. The talent levels are not so drastically different that it's a shock that any team should lose to any other. Especially a division rival, on their home court, when the players were working on probably about 4 hours of sleep.

    I'll continue to be the freakout police when you are leading the charge in freaking out after every loss on the schedule. Someone has to balance things out.

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    • #32
      Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

      Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
      Pacers completely forgot their team's M.O. Smash mouth defense and rebounding. Pacers are probably going to score in the 80's all year long, but let the Miami role players walk to the rim and they completely lost their man on the perimeter. When Bosh is able to catch the ball infront of the rim and Hibbert just stares as he gets an easy layup.....turrible.

      They forgot to make the extra pass, 12 Asts, and to hold on to the ball, 23 TO's.

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      • #33
        Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
        I'm a Danny fan, but he is having a hell of a time getting quality shots the way he is used to. The dude looks like he has forgot how to play. Too many forearm shimmies and bull dozing his way into the lane. I can call an offensive foul on him almost every time he drives. Just like I can call it when DJones wants to try and go in and dunk the ball.

        Apparently Granger benefits greatly from a real training camp, cause his game does not look very polished.
        Let's just say that Danny should never be driving to the bucket. The team just needs to learn how to pass the ball. You could see they were trying it at the beginning of the second half and it helped a bit. They just don't have it down yet. Guys who should be driving include GHill, Collison, Lance, DJ (when he's in), Price and maybe Paul at times. Danny really should be used to stretch the floor. I feel dirty saying that since I hate JOb ball.

        Really, I think Vogel is trying to go to the rack as much as possible but some players don't have that skill. Unlike Jim, I expect Frank to learn from that.

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        • #34
          Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

          Originally posted by ColeTheMole View Post
          What? Have you heard mackey rose?
          Oh yes. Mackey has an irrational hatred for most of the players, but actually has some logic behind his posts when they aren't involving the awful Granger/Hansbrough/Collison/Foster foursome.

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          • #35
            Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
            You should. If this was the 3rd or 4th year under Vogel and we kept seeing bad basketball....

            Yes, it looks like a horror film out there. It literally looked like our guys were blindfolded they looked so bad. But what happened tonight will not happen once this team starts finding it's way. If the team didn't have talent, well, then I'd be worried.
            3rd or 4th year? I don't think Vogel will finish the season if the next 20 games are no better then the last 6, let alone a 3rd or 4th year!
            Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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            • #36
              Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

              Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
              I really don't want to be negative. However, The game play of the Pacers has nothing to do with the Heat. It's just the Heat are good enough to exploit it. The Pacers played no better or worse then any other game they have played this season. They just won some cause the teams they played are as bad or worse then the Pacers. This isn't saying much for the Pacers at this point.

              I only hope for better game days for the Pacers!
              They played much worse tonight than they have any other game this season.

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              • #37
                Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

                Originally posted by cdash View Post
                You aren't realistic. You are negative. There's a huge difference between the two.

                Detroit didn't blow us out. We lost. This is the NBA, not college. The talent levels are not so drastically different that it's a shock that any team should lose to any other. Especially a division rival, on their home court, when the players were working on probably about 4 hours of sleep.

                I'll continue to be the freakout police when you are leading the charge in freaking out after every loss on the schedule. Someone has to balance things out.
                A OK I'm sorry Mr officer I'll let you know next time I want to post something non sunshiner or non homer
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • #38
                  Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

                  [QUOTE=BlueNGold;1337537]I'm not even worried. This isn't the same team you will see later this season. It just isn't. I'm not one to put blinders on either. We have more talent on this team than we've had in years. Granger, who was supposedly an all-star scored 6 points on 2-13 or something. It was a bad game and bad games happen. Granger, as bad as he is, isn't that bad...[/QUOTE

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                  FG5 Stats seem to indicate a downward trend. Dosn't really give me hope that he is going to miraculously turn it around any time soon.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

                    Originally posted by cdash View Post
                    They played much worse tonight than they have any other game this season.
                    I'm not sure about that, they were just lucky that the other teams were just as horrible at shooting the ball, reason why we still won some games even though we shot under 40%.
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • #40
                      Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

                      Originally posted by cdash View Post
                      Oh yes. Mackey has an irrational hatred for most of the players, but actually has some logic behind his posts when they aren't involving the awful Granger/Hansbrough/Collison/Foster foursome.
                      Is it illogical to expect a team's best player to not be the worst player on the floor?

                      Is it illogical to expect a power forward to shoot better than 35% from the field?

                      Is it illogical to expect a point guard to get his teammates involved in the offense, and at least pretend to give a damn on the defensive end?

                      Is it illogical to expect a guy who as been overpaid multiple times by the same team to suit up for a game every now and then?

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                      • #41
                        Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

                        Originally posted by Doddage View Post
                        No coincidence that our mini-comeback was thwarted when we took out DC.
                        I criticize DC plenty, but he deserves plenty of credit this game, and in general for his play this season so far. It's weird but now I get worried when he checks out of the game.

                        I really wish we'd play Hill exclusively at off guard, at least for a while. The Hill at PG experiment is not working. Play AJ, trade for another point guard, sign someone from the D-League, I don't know. But we badly need another playmaker.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

                          Originally posted by cdash View Post
                          The fact is we haven't played well this season. I think we can all agree on that. There are plenty of excuses to make, and plenty of blame to go around. Miami killed us tonight, they are a great team. Is it time to start to go into panic mode? No, I don't think so. If this had happened against some crappy team, then we could be worried. But it was the Heat, in Miami, and in the NBA games like this happen. Let's see how they respond in Boston. If they get served another sound beatdown, then we start to worry a little more.

                          I agree if they don't respond in the Boston game then it's time to start wondering about this team. I'm interested in seeing how they re-act in that game.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

                            Originally posted by cdash View Post
                            They played much worse tonight than they have any other game this season.
                            No, they are about par, just played a better offensive team that the defense couldn't stop. offense was par.
                            Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                            • #44
                              Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

                              Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                              3rd or 4th year? I don't think Vogel will finish the season if the next 20 games are no better then the last 6, let alone a 3rd or 4th year!
                              I think Frank is re-working everything. This is the only time it can be done. If that were not the case, they would be playing better, basically doing what they did last season...making it to the playoffs under Vogel. But he's not having them do the same things. It's a process and some here have the patience to enjoy seeing the changes appear. Others just want to complain without even realizing that things are going to be changing. Only question is when.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Heat/Pacers postgame thread

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                A OK I'm sorry Mr officer I'll let you know next time I want to post something non sunshiner or non homer
                                That's the kind of respect I expect to see out of you. Just to be safe, send me a PM before your next "non sunshiner or non homer" post, just so I can make sure it is up to your usual ridiculous par.

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