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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

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  • #31
    Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

    There are some conflicting reports on some of the player ratings and Roy is the most conflicted...

    Operation Sports claims that Roy is going to be a 86 per NBA 2K...

    While NBASky.com shows photo evidence that Roy is going to be a 79...



    So I don't know what to believe... Many have the same ratings reported from both sites... NBA Sky has photos (But could be from a dated build) while Operation Sports claims it's source to be NBA 2K...

    I have ranked the players for you by position according to the reports from both sites...

    PGs

    94 Chris Paul
    92 Derrick Rose
    90 Rajon Rondo
    90 Deron Williams
    87 Steve Nash
    86 Tony Parker
    82 Chauncey Billups
    81 Tyreke Evans
    80 Jason Kidd
    78 Maurice Williams
    78 Kemba Walker
    77 Nate Robinson
    77 Darren Collison
    77 Jeremy Lin
    77 Devin Harris
    77 Aaron Brooks
    75 Mario Chalmers
    74 D.J.Augustin
    72 Toney Douglas
    65 Kendall Marshall



    SGs

    99 Michael Jordan
    95 Allen Iverson
    93 Kobe Bryant
    93 Dwyane Wade
    87 Manu Ginobili (NBA Sky)
    86 Monta Ellis
    86 Manu Ginobili (Operation Sports)
    85 Joe Johnson
    85 Eric Gordon
    81 Kevin Martin
    80 Iman Shumpert
    80 Ray Allen (NBA Sky)
    79 Avery Bradley
    79 Ray Allen (Operation Sports)
    79 Vince Carter
    78 Paul George
    78 Jamal Crawford
    77 Jason Terry
    77 OJ Mayo
    75 J.R Smith
    75 Evan Turner
    72 Nick Young
    71 Raja Bell
    71 Alec Burks
    71 Jeremy Lamb
    71 Dion Waiters
    67 Austin Rivers



    SFs

    98 LeBron James
    94 Kevin Durant
    92 Carmelo Anthony
    92 Scottie Pippen
    87 Andre Iguodala
    84 Danny Granger
    83 Luol Deng
    82 Paul Pierce
    81 Caron Butler
    81 Gerald Wallace
    79 Shawn Marion
    78 Stephen Jackson
    78 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
    77 Antawn Jamison
    77 Grant Hill
    76 Kawhi Leonard
    75 Gerald Green
    75 Shane Battier
    75 Jared Dudley
    75 Harrison Barnes
    74 Chandler Parsons
    73 Matt Barnes
    73 Marshon Brooks
    71 Lamar Odom
    66 Luke Walton



    PFs

    89 Kevin Love
    87 Pau Gasol
    87 Tim Duncan
    87 Josh Smith
    86 Blake Griffin
    85 Dirk Nowitzki
    84 Amare Stoudemire
    84 Kevin Garnett
    84 Zach Randolph
    83 Paul Millsap
    83 Chris Bosh (Operation Sports)
    82 Chris Bosh (NBA Sky)
    81 Serge Ibaka
    80 Anthony Davis
    78 Carlos Boozer
    78 Jeff Green
    77 Taj Gibson
    77 Elton Brand
    76 Kenneth Faried
    75 David West
    75 Thomas Robinson
    74 Derrick Favors
    74 Kris Humphries
    73 Patrick Patterson
    72 DeJuan Blair



    Cs

    96 Dwight Howard (Operation Sports)
    95 Dwight Howard (NBA Sky)
    87 Andrew Bynum
    86 Roy Hibbert (Operation Sports)
    84 Al Jefferson
    83 Marc Gasol
    83 Joakim Noah
    80 Brook Lopez
    79 Roy Hibbert (NBA Sky)
    77 Tyson Chandler
    74 Javale McGee
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    Last edited by J7F; 09-23-2012, 12:52 PM.
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    • #32
      Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

      Originally posted by Cody. View Post
      Hill(75)/Augustin(73)
      George(80)/Stephenson(65)
      Granger(84)/Green(73)
      West(78)/Hansbrough(72)
      Hibbert(86)/Mahimi(67)

      My thoughts...

      Also there should be NO reason why Howard is a 96! More like a 90 or 91. Rondo a 90!? No sir. More like 86 or 87. They are basically saying that if he could shoot he would be a 95.
      I don't see a problem with them saying that.. If Rondo had a jumper, he would be better than Rose and CP3. I do agree that 90 is a tad high, but based on the ratings of Rose and CP3, I think it's not too bad.
      Also, I completely agree on Howard. I would say a 91 is about right.

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      • #33
        Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

        Wii-U gamepad features have been demoed, for any other Nintendo-Centric gamers on the forum, this is the way i'll be playing 2K13 and all other sports games, the tablet will make managing menus much, much less cumbersome, accessing data faster, choosing plays and implementing strategies more intuitive, simple and quick.

        Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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        • #34
          Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

          That Wii U looks great! This is the first time I've seen a game demoed on it and 2k13 looks like it's a perfect match for it.

          I thought I heard that there will be voice controls with the connect and that you can call out plays that way. If so, I think that might be slightly cooler than the Wii. Being able to see your player's level of fatigue on the Wii by just holding it up and pointing it at the screen is ridiculously cool! It would make playing in coach mode fun.

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          • #35
            Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

            Originally posted by daschysta View Post
            Kinect is pretty awful as anything other than a UI navigation tool.
            Pretty much. Love the voice control/recognition of the Kinect. It's pretty convenient to have when I'm eating food with my hands, and I don't want to get my controller all dirty. I know that I enjoy playing Mass Effect 3 with the Kinect, because certain button are pretty cumbersome.

            I look forward to using the Kinect on the NBA 2K13 for subs and play calling.

            As for Hibbert a 86....wow! He's going to be a monster to use for the first month until they do the first roster update based on real life performance.


            Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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            • #36
              Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

              I'm not perfect and neither are you.

              Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
              Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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              • #37
                Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

                I'm playing the demo!

                I'm initially having a hard time adjusting to having to hold the L2 button to shoot with the shot stick... I'll get used to it though... I've pulled off some nice dribble moves on accident... Can't wait to get that down!

                The players seem so much more "alive" in their animations...
                Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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                • #38
                  Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

                  Originally posted by sportfireman View Post
                  I've seen some screenshots and some are really old. Hard to tell what's the most recent. Wouldn't trust them. Plus, Hibbert is supposed to be an 86 according to Ronnie 2K. Only a week to really find out. Not worried. I think the Pacers will be quite a formidable team. Just solid players all around, and hardly any weaknesses for the starting 5.
                  First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

                    Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                    I've seen some screenshots and some are really old. Hard to tell what's the most recent. Wouldn't trust them. Plus, Hibbert is supposed to be an 86 according to Ronnie 2K. Only a week to really find out. Not worried. I think the Pacers will be quite a formidable team. Just solid players all around, and hardly any weaknesses for the starting 5.
                    http://www.operationsports.com/news/...classic-teams/

                    this came out today

                    Plumlee 56

                    Lance 58

                    Pendy 61

                    Tyler 71

                    Ian 71

                    Hill 74

                    the rest are correct with the screen shot that is from today. OJ isnt in there so it could be an older build but i believe it is fairly new.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

                      ARGGGHHHH!!!!!!! The anticipation is killing me ...

                      Already got the money set aside for Oct. 3rd ... I tell you one thing, I will be one pithed off mamma jamma if they push the PC release date back ...
                      If anyone on here has a killer computer and video card, you REALLY should get it for PC . Cuz I'm telllin ya, if I had to choose out of all the versions... I'd choose the pc version 10 out of 10 times . Graphics, gameplay and the modding community are all superior IMO .. One thing though,for the best experience, make sure you have an xbox360 controller that you can plug into your usb port .. (any similar controller would be ok though i guess .. lol ) All you have to do is install the windows drivers for it , and pretty much any game that uses a controller will automatically map out the buttons...

                      Another thing .. As with every NBA2k release on computer .... the PC version is only $29.99 BOO YAH!



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                      Here is the badboy that will be powering my 2k13

                      Last edited by Kemo; 09-26-2012, 05:35 AM.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Paul George in the new NBA 2k13 Trailer

                        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                        http://www.operationsports.com/news/...classic-teams/

                        this came out today

                        Plumlee 56

                        Lance 58

                        Pendy 61

                        Tyler 71

                        Ian 71

                        Hill 74

                        the rest are correct with the screen shot that is from today. OJ isnt in there so it could be an older build but i believe it is fairly new.
                        This was written in the link you sent.

                        UPDATE: It looks like some of the ratings aren't accurate, based off of NBA 2K13 player ratings that have already been revealed.
                        I do think Hibbert at an 86 does seem high, but a 79 seems a bit low. PG at 78 is a little low. I'd be disappointed if these were the final ratings. Hopefully they aren't.
                        First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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