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Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

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  • #91
    Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

    Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
    No it doesn't. I instantly know who Justin Bieber is. But that doesn't make me a Belieber.

    If people comapare the Pacers of the 90s and 2000 to the Hawks, then they don't know anything about the NBA history. And you know nothing about them if you think they have a point.
    Please calm down. I wasnt referring to those teams, I was talking about the impact of their players' respective legacies on the current era franchises.
    Time for a new sig.

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    • #92
      Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

      Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
      I guess I don't have love affairs with underachievers. Peyton was great to watch over all the years and provided great entertainment, but he almost always broke my heart. Every season except the early years and the super bowl left a sour taste in my mouth. For some reason Reggie really never did. Part of my argument was the expectations that Manning never exceeded, while Reggie always did. Denver fans got the same treatment last year.

      Peyton's one ring might hurt him in a GOAT debate against Tom Brady or Joe Montana, but it's not going to hurt him in a debate against a guy like Reggie who has zero rings. Peyton won a ring and helped the city get it's only modern day sports championship. That puts him above everyone else. Sure the running game and defense were huge in that playoff run, but Peyton's arm won the second half of that AFCCG against New England, which was one of the most epic playoff games in NFL history.

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      • #93
        Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

        Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
        So Peyton did not underachieve in Indy? You feel like he was one-championship type of player? There are people here saying he is the MJ of the NFL, which is ridiculous. I get that it's a lot harder for one player to make that impact in the NFL, and sorry if you don't like to hear it, but Manning underachieved in the playoffs when it mattered most. There is a reason Tom Brady is in the same conversation when you talk about greatest of all time, rings. Peyton doesn't have them, and with his talent, he should. It left a bad taste in a lot of people mouths. Call me bitter if you want, I just care more about playoff accomplishments than regular season accomplishments. Reggie was known to propel his game in the playoffs, Manning was known to choke.
        Did that generation of Colts underachieve perhaps but to me underachieve and underachievers are two different things. The word underachiever has a distinct undertone to it, not of a person that didn't meet expectations, but more of a person that is a failure. You don't call the runner-up to the valedictorian an underachiever even if it was possible for them to have won the award. You call a person that wasted their talents an underachiever. Somebody like a Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russel, a high school pot head drop out. To me hearing somebody call a top 5 QB of-all-time an underachiever when the guy did NOTHING to waste his talents only worked as hard as he could every year to MAXIMIZE his talents is an absolute terrible title to bestow on him. Did the Indianapolis Colts of the 2000s underachieve? That is a matter of opinion and I'm fine if you want to voice yours as yes I won't argue with you. What I do have a problem with though is calling Peyton an UNDERACHIEVER just simply not a word I think should be associated to him.

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        • #94
          Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
          Just because Manning didn't fight with famous Boston fans or constantly jaw at opponents doesn't mean that he didn't want to badly win those games. Manning as the most famous and marketable player in the NFL had an image to protect. It wouldn't have been a good look to cuss out Pats fans at Gillette while giving them offensive gestures.

          NFL quarterbacks in general try to behave classy. Rivers looked like an a-hole when he was chirping at fans in the Dome during that playoff game.
          Honestly, I'm not sure it's even in a Quarterback's best interest to start jawing with 350 pound defensive lineman. That's not quite the same as John Starks.

          Peyton should've even had 2 Superbowls if not for Hank Baskett and Garcon's stone hands, but don't get me started.

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          • #95
            Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

            Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
            I know this is a curveball, but is Larry Bird more loved in Indiana than Reggie, even though he never played here? Those 3 would have to be the most loved sports figures by Indiana fans. And again, it might have to do with him being here and relevant right now and not a thing of the past.
            Larry Bird had a HUGE following due to his college ball and what he did for ISU on the court. I'm sure statewide Bird has a bigger reach. ...But some of that is because the Pacers' marketing dwindles considerably the further you get from I465.
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            • #96
              Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

              REG-GIE...REG-GIE...REG-GIE...

              The way its going, in another few years Peyton wont even be the most loved quarterback to play in Indy...
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              • #97
                Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                REG-GIE...REG-GIE...REG-GIE...

                The way its going, in another few years Peyton wont even be the most loved quarterback to play in Indy...
                There wouldn't be a team in Indy if not for Peyton.

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                • #98
                  Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                  Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                  There wouldn't be a team in Indy if not for Peyton.
                  I understand that sentiment...though I'm not sure what exactly it has to do with my comment...

                  For me, its not even close...its Reggie by a landslide...

                  And as for quarterbacks, what I was saying is at the rate Andrew Luck is going Peyton wont even be the most loved quarterback to ever play in Indy, let alone the most loved athlete....Andrew is definitely ahead of the Manning curve so far...
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                  • #99
                    Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                    Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                    I understand that sentiment...though I'm not sure what exactly it has to do with my comment...

                    For me, its not even close...its Reggie by a landslide...

                    And as for quarterbacks, what I was saying is at the rate Andrew Luck is going Peyton wont even be the most loved quarterback to ever play in Indy, let alone the most loved athlete....Andrew is definitely ahead of the Manning curve so far...
                    The point is if not for Peyton, there's no Luck in Indy, period. That's why he's beloved. Without #18, Indy isn't getting Lucas Oil Stadium, sure as hell doesn't host a Super Bowl, and there's a very real chance they're playing in Los Angeles.

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                    • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                      Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
                      Did that generation of Colts underachieve perhaps but to me underachieve and underachievers are two different things. The word underachiever has a distinct undertone to it, not of a person that didn't meet expectations, but more of a person that is a failure. You don't call the runner-up to the valedictorian an underachiever even if it was possible for them to have won the award. You call a person that wasted their talents an underachiever. Somebody like a Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russel, a high school pot head drop out. To me hearing somebody call a top 5 QB of-all-time an underachiever when the guy did NOTHING to waste his talents only worked as hard as he could every year to MAXIMIZE his talents is an absolute terrible title to bestow on him. Did the Indianapolis Colts of the 2000s underachieve? That is a matter of opinion and I'm fine if you want to voice yours as yes I won't argue with you. What I do have a problem with though is calling Peyton an UNDERACHIEVER just simply not a word I think should be associated to him.
                      If lebron only won a single championsip, he would be viewed as an underachiever. So why does Manning get a pass? Because you have an emotional tie to him?

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                      • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                        Reggie made professional sports in Indiana relevant to a new generation fans at a time when the NFL wasn't nearly as popular as it is now (and thus people did not default support the Colts). BLF is the house that Reggie built just as much as LOF is the house that Peyton built. Yet unlike Reggie, Peyton bought a title to Indiana and is among the best to ever play his position. And this is coming from someone who prefers Reggie's Pacers to Peyton's Colts by a longshot. But there is really no comparison in terms of their popularity in Indiana. Peyton by far, although Reggie's legacy really isn't much different when you stop and think about it.

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                        • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                          Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                          The point is if not for Peyton, there's no Luck in Indy, period. That's why he's beloved. Without #18, Indy isn't getting Lucas Oil Stadium, sure as hell doesn't host a Super Bowl, and there's a very real chance they're playing in Los Angeles.
                          Again...i understand thats why you and maybe some others love Peyton more than Reggie...and thats cool. I dont even care to argue the merits of such. I mean how far do u take it? If not for Bob Irsay there is no Peyton Manning in Indy? Or without John Elway and Jeff George, there is no Peyton Manning in Indy? You can go on forever like that...but as I said I understand the sentiment behind such.

                          It just doesnt matter to me. I love the Pacers far more than the Colts. The Colts arent even my favorite NFL team, because when I was growing up in Indy the Colts were still in Baltimore. So Reggie and quite a few others have alot more love from me than Peyton. Not that it matters, but Reggie took less money to stay and retire a Pacer and is one of the very few to retire with the same team he started with and play so many years in the process. Hopefully Paul George will do the same.

                          And Ill say it again...five years from now you could very well ask a similar question involving Peyton and Andrew and depending on what happens between now and then Andrew could win by a landslide. Hes certainly accomplished more in his first year and a half than Peyton did. But again, timing has alot to do with it, and that assumes he will keep improving as Peyton did-which certainly remains to be seen.
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                          • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                            Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
                            Indiana has not lost touch with its roots.....you are just misconceiving Indiana as a mega basketball state meaning that it is a mega Pacer state. Indiana got its reputation as a huge basketball state because of its love and dedication to High School basketball and College basketball.....both of these things remain unchanged....I still have groups of people at my work that talk routinely about High School basketball and Indiana still routinely produces some of the best High School basketball talent year in and year out.....and college basketball and the likes of Indiana even through some awful seasons still sold tickets like crazy.....Indiana's love for basketball has not changed, it just doesn't have the same dedication to pro basketball as either HS or College.
                            One of the best points in this thread. The Pacers were popular in the city of Indianapolis in the 90's. Other than that time period, they were closer to the Indianapolis Indians than the Colts in terms of popularity.

                            But I have to make one correction. It wasn't college ball. The Hoosier state is also not a basketball state because of the Indiana Hoosiers...and one of my degrees is from IU. IU certainly adds to it a lot...a heck of a lot more than Purdue, but they aren't even the reason.

                            The fact is, most people under 35 don't even know why it's a big basketball state...at least historically. ...because they never experienced High School class basketball and the sectionals and regionals. I have never witnessed more intense competition than class basketball particularly the sectionals and regionals during the 1970's and 1980's.

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                            • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                              Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
                              If lebron only won a single championsip, he would be viewed as an underachiever. So why does Manning get a pass? Because you have an emotional tie to him?
                              If LeBron had stayed in Cleveland, he still wouldn't have a ring. Manning stuck with his team and toughed it out...with a weak supporting cast...at least on defense. But he won. That's more than LeBron James ever did. LeBron more or less purchased his rings by teaming up with other all-stars.

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                              • Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                                Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
                                If lebron only won a single championsip, he would be viewed as an underachiever. So why does Manning get a pass? Because you have an emotional tie to him?
                                I must've missed the pass Peyton got or you must've been in a coma all last week.

                                But the NFL and NBA are rather different when it comes to championships. I mean the NFL is a one and done format the best team doesn't always get there just who is hot at the right time.

                                The NBA usually has the best team at that time(have to win 4 out of 7) its easier to win multiple championships in the NBA than it ever will be in the NFL.

                                That being said LeBron was smart to leave Cleveland he'd never win a ring there.

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