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  • Re: Granger traded to Philly

    First of all, I love Danny. I'm really sad to see him go and wish him nothing but the very best.

    Few thoughts:

    1. Bird wasn't actively shopping DG around the league, but, as a GM, once you receive an offer you can't refuse, well then... you can't refuse it
    Bird saw Turner and Allen as substantial upgrades over Danny and made a tough call, all the while thinking of the franchise's best interests, and not Danny's. As he should.

    2. We'll now have a better chance to sign Lance! And most importantly have insurance for Lance if he decides to sign elsewhere.
    Just imagine what would happen if we were to fail in our quest to win a championship this year AND lose Lance in the summer...
    PD would be in meltdown.
    The bottom line is this deal has the Pacers' FUTURE in mind too, and not only their present.

    3. I think it's obvious Turner is a better player than Danny at this point of their careers, but ultimately, I believe the success of this trade will rest on how much of likeable guy Evan Turner is.
    If the guys like him on a personal level and he gets along with everybody, I think it will translate very quickly on the court and make this deal a huge win for us.

    4. If Turner plays well and manages to ease the load off of PG and Lance, it would be absolutely huge.
    It could possibly mean more wins in the regular season, since the guys will be fresher on back 2 backs etc. It would also probably lower the risk of injury for Lance and Paul, since they play heavy minutes.
    The players' health should be an even higher priority than HCA IMO.

    5. This trade could end up helping Danny's longterm future. He's looking to sign a new contract in the summer, and if he ends up playing major minutes for the Sixers and put up better numbers,
    it could help him get a substantially better contract, and jump start his career too. If I'm not mistaken, in the summer he'll be free to sign anywhere he wants,
    so it's not a certainty he'll be stuck on a bottom feeder team for the rest of his career either.

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    • Re: Granger traded to Philly

      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
      Heh, perhaps I can tell a story here that will help understand where I come from on this.

      December 2012, I had to make a decision to let an employee go from my family business who had literally been with the business since before I was born. He was well past retirement age and had begun making mistakes (maintenance guy) that were putting not only himself but others in harm's way. It was one of the hardest decisions I'll probably ever have to make. It stuck with me for about a day and then I had a realization that it was just the first of many times in my life I will have to make or be around a decision like that. Business regardless of what area you are in, kind of sucks.

      These guys have had their time to be emotional about it. We've had our time to be emotional about it. Honestly, I was over the emotions this morning until all the videos started coming out, that sucked a bit, but this evening I am back and ready to get going with the rest of the season tomorrow. The players need to be too. Danny isn't dead. He's going to be OK, personally I'm hoping he plays the last 20 some games with Philly chucks a bunch of shots and gets paid one last time. That would make me really happy as a Danny fan. You have to learn to look at the positives. It sucked to have to let my employee go, but it was better than hearing how he was forgetting things or how he had backed his truck into a sign. He still comes into the office on occasion and drops off vegetables that he's grown.

      Paul George is 23 years old, I was 24 when I had to make that decision in December of 12, so trust me I feel for him, but I can also promise him, life will go on. It will be OK.
      I appreciate the story. I think we all have similar examples on some level or other.

      Life sucks sometimes.

      I know it will "Be OK" - I'm not sitting here saying otherwise.

      My point, I suppose, throughout this entire ordeal, is that I don't think it's fair for any one person to try to dictate to another how they should react to a difficult thing emotionally.

      I want the Pacers to rip off a 5-10 game win streak and regain our edge just as badly as everyone else. I'll happily cheer for Bynum, Turner and Allen as Pacers.

      That does not lessen or diminish my heartbreak and sadness over Danny being dealt.

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        Honestly, reading this thread, you would've thought Danny died or something. The Pacers didn't do Danny some disservice, he's made a lot of money because of this organization and this year, he's made a lot more money than he's probably worth as a player. He was a very good player for us, and was a beacon of light in a pretty dark time for Pacers' basketball. At the same time, he wasn't a great player, he was a really good one. It's not like he was untouchable especially given his diminished physical ability. Given our salary cap situation, make no mistake about it, this is probably our best year to win an NBA title. You can't fault Larry Legend for taking winning over sentiment. Turner could end up being a colossal bust or the best 6th man of the second half, who knows, but the talent is there...and Danny wasn't giving us a whole lot besides a high bball IQ and being a willing passer.

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          Originally posted by 31Since1990 View Post
          Hey are you going to the game tomorrow?
          Nope

          I have a very early flight the next morning and Milwaukee is about 5 hours from me.

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          • Re: Granger traded to Philly

            Originally posted by Lance George View Post
            Philly got a second rounder out of the deal. Pretty pitiful, I know.

            After today, I've gotta say, what the Sixers are currently doing may be the most blatant example of tanking in U.S. sports history. They gave up Turner, Allen, and Hawes for three second round picks. That's their leading scorer and rebounders. Wow.

            Where did Spencer Hawes go?

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            • Re: Granger traded to Philly

              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
              Heh, perhaps I can tell a story here that will help understand where I come from on this.

              December 2012, I had to make a decision to let an employee go from my family business who had literally been with the business since before I was born. He was well past retirement age and had begun making mistakes (maintenance guy) that were putting not only himself but others in harm's way. It was one of the hardest decisions I'll probably ever have to make. It stuck with me for about a day and then I had a realization that it was just the first of many times in my life I will have to make or be around a decision like that. Business regardless of what area you are in, kind of sucks.

              These guys have had their time to be emotional about it. We've had our time to be emotional about it. Honestly, I was over the emotions this morning until all the videos started coming out, that sucked a bit, but this evening I am back and ready to get going with the rest of the season tomorrow. The players need to be too. Danny isn't dead. He's going to be OK, personally I'm hoping he plays the last 20 some games with Philly chucks a bunch of shots and gets paid one last time. That would make me really happy as a Danny fan. You have to learn to look at the positives. It sucked to have to let my employee go, but it was better than hearing how he was forgetting things or how he had backed his truck into a sign. He still comes into the office on occasion and drops off vegetables that he's grown.

              Paul George is 23 years old, I was 24 when I had to make that decision in December of 12, so trust me I feel for him, but I can also promise him, life will go on. It will be OK.
              right before Christmas, huh?

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                Turner's game has some warts. But there are some important contextual differences. He does not need to be the man on this team. He likely will be playing a lot of minutes against opponents' back ups now as opposed to starters. I don't know how this thing is going to go down, but that and playing for a contender may bode well despite some of the concerns. Only time will tell, but I hope he can contribute.
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                • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                  Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                  Where did Spencer Hawes go?
                  Cleveland.

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                  • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                    Is there any way/chance of Philly buying out Granger and Pacers re-signing him
                    "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                    • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                      Originally posted by Kuq_e_Zi91 View Post
                      Anyone been over to Sixers' boards to see their reactions to trading Turner and Allen? Some concerning posts on the Sixers RealGM board about Turner especially...















                      http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...5533&start=150

                      Trying to leave the emotional aspect out of this, it still doesn't make sense to me. It might look good on paper and he's younger, but I'm more concerned about chemistry now. Teams don't win on talent alone if they can't play together. We had a team that was TOGETHER. We broke them apart. For Evan Turner. Evan. Turner. A tweener guard who shoots from three like Jamaal Tinsley and finishes at the rim like Darren Collison, gets upset when he can't generate foul calls, doesn't defend, apparently has attitude issues, likes to dominate the ball, and has a high turnover rate. If he's our backup plan to Lance leaving... we're in trouble. He's not half the player Lance is.

                      Only time will tell, but I really hope we're not looking back on this thinking "Why, Larry? Why? Was Evan Turner worth it? Was breaking up the closest team in the league, the #1 seed in the East, worth it for Evan Turner?"
                      I'm sure part of their assessment of Turner is sour grapes over him never playing up to the expectations that come with being drafted so high. Sure there is some reason for concern about their comments, but I think it's safe to say Turner can at least offer as much as Granger was offering the Pacers so far this season.
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                      • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                        Originally posted by MillerTime View Post
                        Is there any way/chance of Philly buying out Granger and Pacers re-signing him
                        Good question. Granted, it's a question that has been asked every few pages and answered soon after, but a good question nonetheless. Six months. New rule. Ilgauskas. Google.
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                        • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                          Originally posted by DocHolliday View Post
                          I'm sure part of their assessment of Turner is sour grapes over him never playing up to the expectations that come with being drafted so high. Sure there is some reason for concern about their comments, but I think it's safe to say Turner can at least offer as much as Granger was offering the Pacers so far this season.
                          Statistically, I agree. It won't be hard to replace Danny's 8 points per game. But I'm worried about the fit. Turner can't space the floor. He needs the ball to be effective, and even then he's not very efficient. He can create his own shot, true, but what good is creating it if his only option is the mid-range jumper. It's too predictable, hence why it's not very efficient.

                          Defensively, the Synergy stats that cdash posted earlier in this thread worry me as well. I don't know how much of that is simply not caring on a bad team versus his lack of athleticism or discipline, but it's hard to say he fits this team's "smashmouth" identity.
                          2015, 2016, 2019 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC Dreamers

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                          • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                            Thats a good message.

                            What really sucks is that if any those players had bothered to show up and play at high level over the last month, this trade would have never happened. Bird would have told Philly thanks but no thanks, my team is on the floor. But because the majority of the team started mailing it in and thinking that their reputation alone would carry them, gave Bird enough incentive to make a change. So these players that are left need to take a hard look in the mirror.
                            So, are you saying it was everyone else's fault that Granger played poorly enough to get traded? (I was going to say failed in his return, but thought that was a bit harsh.)

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                            • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                              Originally posted by Kuq_e_Zi91 View Post
                              Anyone been over to Sixers' boards to see their reactions to trading Turner and Allen? Some concerning posts on the Sixers RealGM board about Turner especially...
                              Philly is not the "city of brotherly love" it used to be made out to be. You gotta remember, this is the city whose football fans pummeled Santa Claus with snowballs at a game. The fans in that town are relentlessly harsh.

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                              • Re: Granger traded to Philly

                                Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                                Thats a good message.

                                What really sucks is that if any those players had bothered to show up and play at high level over the last month, this trade would have never happened. Bird would have told Philly thanks but no thanks, my team is on the floor. But because the majority of the team started mailing it in and thinking that their reputation alone would carry them, gave Bird enough incentive to make a change. So these players that are left need to take a hard look in the mirror.
                                I don't think the last month had anything to do with it. Bird was thinking about the future when he made this trade, not the past. We could have been riding a 15 game winning streak and Bird would have still made this deal because it would have made us an even better team in the future. Turner is significantly better than Granger at this point, and you also get Allen sprinkled in. An absolute no brainer of a move regardless of the team's recent W-L record.

                                Granger's teammates aren't at fault here. Granger's coach isn't at fault here. The bottom line is that Granger just isn't a very good player anymore. That's not Granger's fault either because bad injuries have robbed him of his abilities, but it just is what it is. I just don't think it's fair to blame Granger's teammates for the fact that he just couldn't play good anymore. It's not like we traded Granger before the season started without giving him the opportunity to prove himself. The season started four months ago and he had two full months to show us that he was worth keeping around. We gave him a very fair opportunity to audition for the part.

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