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  • #16
    Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

    I hope and pray they find her and she is OK.

    I hesitate to post this, and we certainly don't know if alcohol played any part of her disappearance and certainly this can happen at 4:00 PM as well.

    But if I had 19 or 20 year old son or daughter I would point out that "gettting plastered" impacts your judgment and that can put you at risk. I know the attitude is what you do in college won't impact the rest of your life - yes it often does

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    • #17
      Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

      To me the alcohol is a non-story, with the amount of people drunk on a Bloomington campus on a Friday night, it could have been any number of girls.

      The fishy thing about the Smallwood incident with the police using battering rams is that Smallwood says there was no one on site with a key, which I still find hard to believe. But even then how soon could someone get there with a key, probably 5 minutes? I mean, the police wanted something there, and they wanted it NOW.


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      • #18
        Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

        Originally posted by The Sleeze View Post
        From what I saw yesterday on the news her apartment was only 2 blocks from Kilroys(she walked home around 2:30am). She made it to her apartment and was seen in the lobby talking to a friend. So she made it home from the bar, but then she was seen about 7 or 8 blocks(corner of College and 11th I think) north of that talking to some people around 4:00 in the morning....very strange.

        I went to Purdue and this is like Wade Steffey all over again. The only difference is that was entirely his own fault, and I have a feeling this girl probably got abducted. I hope they find her and that she's in good health.
        Yeah the walk from sports to smallwood is just about 2 min, seeing the area that she was walking to I wonder if it was some after party down that way that she was trying to make it to, there are tons of house parties that take place down that way. Hopefully her phone records give some clues to where she was heading and who she was talking to.

        Oh yeah and the Wade thing was crazy, I remember when that happened campus was in shock, no one knew what was going on at all...
        Why so SERIOUS

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        • #19
          Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

          She left her phone at Kilroys, along with her shoes, so I doubt that is going to be of much use.
          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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          • #20
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            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
            I don't think the underage thing is that huge of a deal in relation to this story. This could just have easily have happened to a 21 year old after a night at the bars.
            I graduated from IU in 2010 and obviously find this story to be incredibly disturbing, creepy, and sad. I hope that it turns out for the best. You're right, TraderJoe. There are lots and lots of weirdos who are up to no good that prey around Bloomington.

            This story is getting some major national attention. Her parents were on the Today show this morning, and it's been all over the likes of foxnews.com and cnn.com. Plus she is from New York so all of the big papers up there are covering it too.
            I don't think Geezer was saying anything about the underage drinking other than the fact that Kilroy's could receive some backlash from this story. The girl either had a fake ID that their doorman didn't spot, they let her in knowing that she was under the legal drinking age, or they just didn't even check her ID.

            All that aside, I hope this girl is found and will be alive to celebrate her 21st birthday with her friends and family.

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            • #21
              Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
              She left her phone at Kilroys, along with her shoes, so I doubt that is going to be of much use.
              I read that they found her phone along with her purse in an alley near hear an apartment.


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              • #22
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                Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                I don't think Geezer was saying anything about the underage drinking other than the fact that Kilroy's could receive some backlash from this story. The girl either had a fake ID that their doorman didn't spot, they let her in knowing that she was under the legal drinking age, or they just didn't even check her ID.

                All that aside, I hope this girl is found and will be alive to celebrate her 21st birthday with her friends and family.
                I'm just gonna say this as a recent IU grad, based on the girl's picture, she wouldn't have had a hard time getting into any of the bars. Don't mean to be crass, just saying how it is down there.


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                • #23
                  Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  I'm just gonna say this as a recent IU grad, based on the girl's picture, she wouldn't have had a hard time getting into any of the bars. Don't mean to be crass, just saying how it is down there.
                  One of the reasons bouncers and bar owners need to be held somewhat accountable for things like this happening. I understand that if the girl wanted to get drunk, she probably could have found a way to do so without Kilroy's. As a business though, they shouldn't be helping her or other underage girls out in breaking laws.

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                  • #24
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                    Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                    One of the reasons bouncers and bar owners need to be held somewhat accountable for things like this happening. I understand that if the girl wanted to get drunk, she probably could have found a way to do so without Kilroy's. As a business though, they shouldn't be helping her or other underage girls out in breaking laws.
                    It was an hour and a half after she left the bar til the time the last person saw her. Obviously they should be held accountable for the mere fact she was in there, but in no way, shape, or form are they anywhere close to being accountable for what happened.

                    Even if she was **** drunk, there are a lot more people with direct influence on the situation, like her friends letting her walk home alone.

                    I'm not trying to place any blame on them, BTW. Who knows, we could have two missing girls now, or multiple missing genders.

                    But at the same time, I don't think there anything would change if she was 21 instead of 20.

                    Unless she was falling down drunk and they kept serving her, Kilroys should be fine on that end IMHO.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • #25
                      Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      It was an hour and a half after she left the bar til the time the last person saw her. Obviously they should be held accountable for the mere fact she was in there, but in no way, shape, or form are they anywhere close to being accountable for what happened.

                      Even if she was **** drunk, there are a lot more people with direct influence on the situation, like her friends letting her walk home alone.

                      I'm not trying to place any blame on them, BTW. Who knows, we could have two missing girls now, or multiple missing genders.

                      But at the same time, I don't think there anything would change if she was 21 instead of 20.

                      Unless she was falling down drunk and they kept serving her, Kilroys should be fine on that end IMHO.
                      She's 19. Kilroy's shouldn't have been serving her AT ALL.

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                      • #26
                        Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

                        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                        It was an hour and a half after she left the bar til the time the last person saw her. Obviously they should be held accountable for the mere fact she was in there, but in no way, shape, or form are they anywhere close to being accountable for what happened.
                        I completely agree with you, but if they find the girl and/or find out she was drunk, the parents will most definitely sue Kilroy's and they would win or get a settlement. It would be hard to prove she was drunk without witnesses stepping forward, but if they can prove it then Kilroy's would wrongfully get the brunt of the blame.
                        I know "Sleeze" is spelled incorrectly. I spell it this way because it's based on a name.

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                        • #27
                          Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

                          Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                          She's 19. Kilroy's shouldn't have been serving her AT ALL.
                          True, but Kilroy's isn't the reason she's gone. It didn't happen there, it didn't happen when she left there.

                          I'm not saying the bouncer doesn't need fired, he does. I'm not saying Kilroy's doesn't need punished in accordance with the law for serving a minor, they do.

                          I'm saying they shouldn't be held accountable for her abduction, or whatever else happened. There has to be some point in time where they aren't associated with the event. IF she was taken 24hrs after she left Kilroy's, should they still be held accountable? At some point in time a line is crossed and it goes out the window.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • #28
                            Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

                            Originally posted by The Sleeze View Post
                            I completely agree with you, but if they find the girl and/or find out she was drunk, the parents will most definitely sue Kilroy's and they would win or get a settlement. It would be hard to prove she was drunk without witnesses stepping forward, but if they can prove it then Kilroy's would wrongfully get the brunt of the blame.
                            I might be wrong, but I think there is a little wiggle room. Because bars don't test people for their BAC, they have to be visably drunk. That's why I threw the "falling down drunk," because that's a pretty hard thing to prove unless she's falling down, slurring her speech, or a bartender just sat back and watched her drink and drink.

                            Kilroy's is a pretty big place, with different atmospheres, and she could easily have sat in a booth and never approached the bar.
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                            • #29
                              Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

                              ^i think its a little tasteless to get bogged down in a debate about underage drinking and engage in other speculation on a thread like this...

                              the Indiana Daily Student has good coverage on what happened, so read them before throwing out "what-ifs"


                              To immediately contradict my earlier statement, I will just say that the college town bars in my experience will card everyone, but there is only so much that a bouncer can do to detect fake IDs, which are everywhere...

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                              • #30
                                Re: PLEASE HELP FIND A FELLOW HOOSIER

                                I think this thread has officially become off -topic, and I feel absolutely horrible about taking the attention away from her and onto something else. I'm going to bow out.
                                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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