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Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

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  • Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

    I think if Peyton and the Broncos pull this off, he will go down as the best QB of all time. He has broken almost every passing record in the NFL, 2 SB titles, and just his legacy for his mental approach to the game will make him go down as #1
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    Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

    Obviously this is huge for his legacy. If he wins this game, he will unquestionably have completed the greatest QB season ever. 55 TD's, single season passing record, AFC Title game over Pats, and Super Bowl championship......just two years after a career threatening injury. 2-1 in Super Bowls would be pretty impressive too. The guy who "only" had one would all of the sudden have two championships with two different franchises. He would be the second oldest Super Bowl winning QB in NFL history (behind Elway). It would be pretty hard for anyone to criticize his career if he pulls this off. A lot of people will have them as their GOAT if he pulls this off, or maybe number 2 behind Montana.

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      Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

      Greatest regular season QB ever - yes.

      Post-season - mediocre. Look at the numbers. Look at them ........

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        Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

        I think he will simply cement himself as one of the best of all time, but really he's already done that. I don't really think there is a ranking that will ever be valid. You could make a case for so many players. I will say this about Manning --- he might be the best preparer of all time. He might be the best dissector of defenses of all time. He might have the quickest release of all time. Those are the qualities that make him an all-time great. What keeps him from being THE best of all time (and just like every other "great" out there who had areas of their game that were "lacking"), he was never the most mobile, never the best improviser, never the hardest thrower, never the most clutch. He wasn't bad in these areas, but he wasn't "great".

        He is what he is --- one of the greatest players of all time.
        Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 01-29-2014, 10:35 AM.
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          Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

          Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
          Greatest regular season QB ever - yes.

          Post-season - mediocre. Look at the numbers. Look at them ........
          Look at most QBs in the postseason. Even the Elite ones. Especially considering i think Fox might be the first decent coach hes had.

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            Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

            It won't change anything

            Manning’s detractors have already decided his legacy; he can’t be considered the GOAT because: (1) he doesn’t have as many SB rings as Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman and Brady; (2) unlike Montana and Brady, he has a history of “choking” in big playoff games; and (3) his unbelievable offensive statistics and record (soon to be) 5 MVP awards are the result of his putting himself above the team and also being lucky to play with great talent around him his entire career.

            If Manning loses on Sunday, no matter how well he plays, his detractors will view it as further confirmation that he can’t win the big games. If he plays poorly but the Broncos win because Seattle doesn’t play well, his detractors will say Manning only won because he was fortunate that Seattle didn’t play well. If he plays well and the Broncos win, his detractors will say that of course Manning played well; how could he not, given the talent around him?

            Another SB win, another lame narrative will follow because they have to find something "wrong"

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              Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

              Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
              Look at most QBs in the postseason. Even the Elite ones. Especially considering i think Fox might be the first decent coach hes had.
              Now that makes too much sense(not Fox being a decent coach I mean he's okay he did get to the SB with Delhomme as QB and a playoff win with Tebow) QB's numbers would drop in the postseason its not as if the level of competition is higher or anything.

              That can't be it. People act as if there aren't any good teams in the playoffs. Its not about numbers as it is about wins.

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                Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

                Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                Greatest regular season QB ever - yes.

                Post-season - mediocre. Look at the numbers. Look at them ........
                Player A (22 games): 64.05comp% 286.6yds/gm 36TDs (1.63 TD/gm) 22INTs (1INT/gm) QBR 90.1
                Player B (26games): 62.11comp% 247.1yds/gm 43TDs (1.65TD/gm) 22INTs (0.85INT/gm) QBR 87.5

                One player is the greatest postseason QB of all time, while the other is "mediocre".

                EDIT: To give it a little more perspective.

                Player C (23games): 62.67comp% 251yds/gm 45TDs (1.95TD/gm) 21INT (0.91INT/gm) QBR 95.6
                Player D (16games): 63.75comp% 240.6yds/gm 23TDS (1.43TD/gm) 17INT (1.1INT/gm) QBR 88.3

                Please, tell me more about how Peyton is "mediocre" in the playoffs.
                Last edited by Since86; 01-29-2014, 12:42 PM.
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                  Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

                  Raise your hand if in the past couple of weeks you've allowed your mind to wonder over whether the Colts would be in the Super Bowl right now if they had traded the first round pick for an obscene amount of assets and kept Manning.....


                  Raises hand.....
                  Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-29-2014, 12:53 PM.

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                    Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

                    I can safely say no we wouldn't have. I don't think we'd be as terrible as Irsay claims we would've been(because you know we wouldn't be able to afford everyone else like he claims even though cutting Freeney along with others he dumped along with Manning would've worked) but I think we'd be in the same spot we are now just now we have a QB we can think about for more than 3-5 years.

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                      Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      Please, tell me more about how Peyton is "mediocre" in the playoffs.
                      11-11. THAT'S mediocre. Considering his regular season record is 167-73.

                      Wins. That's the standard.

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                        Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        Raise your hand if in the past couple of weeks you've allowed your mind to wonder over whether the Colts would be in the Super Bowl right now if they had traded the first round pick for an obscene amount of assets and kept Manning.....


                        Raises hand.....
                        I would raise my hand. However, I'll take the Luck era's potential for more Super Bowl's than Manning's potential for maybe one more. Also don't forget that we owed Manning an obscene amount of money when we didn't even know if he could throw again... so factor that in.
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                          Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

                          Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                          11-11. THAT'S mediocre. Considering his regular season record is 167-73.

                          Wins. That's the standard.
                          Except you were talking about his numbers....

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                            Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

                            Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                            11-11. THAT'S mediocre. Considering his regular season record is 167-73.

                            Wins. That's the standard.

                            It's fair to look at the playoff record and it's fair to criticize Peyton for the numerous one and dones. However, it's a bit short-sighted to simply say "11-11, that's mediocre". For example, Eli Manning is 8-3 in the playoffs. That's a great playoff winning percentage of 72%. But he has MISSED THE PLAYOFFS in 4 of the last 5 seasons, which allows that playoff winning percentage to stay nice and shinny. It would be way better if Eli would have gone one and done in each of the last two seasons since winning the Super Bowl to lower that record to 8-5, as opposed to completely whiffing on the playoffs, which has allowed that winning percentage to stay so high.

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                              Re: Peyton Manning's legacy if Denver wins SB XLVIII

                              Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                              Except you were talking about his numbers....
                              Last time I looked, 11 is a number. So is 11.

                              People will pull stats to make their case that he is. 8 one and dones is pretty poor too for the 'greatest'.

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