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Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

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  • #16
    Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

    Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
    I respect your opinion, but what exactly are you basing this on? One guy averaged 13 points in 25 minutes of NBA action and the other has had a productive summer league.
    I am blindly loyal to Lance Stpehenson. If he got regular minutes on a bad team, like New Jersey, he would probably average around 15 pts
    Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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    • #17
      Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

      Originally posted by 3 8 thee great t h View Post
      Wait so do we not have any more cap to bid on brand or scola
      No we don't.

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      • #18
        Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

        Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
        I am blindly loyal to Lance Stpehenson. If he got regular minutes on a bad team, like New Jersey, he would probably average around 15 pts
        Fair enough!

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        • #19
          Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

          I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem with our bench isn't that we don't have a go to scorer, or someone who can create their own shot. It's the fact we don't have a front court player that can score consistently. Our bench is too predictable. When Vogel switches the entire lineup and puts in new players (a coaching fault he made multiple times against the Heat) they only had to really pay attention to one dimensional players, and DC wasn't able to create the ball movement needed to make that second group score as a cohesive unit. It was almost a miracle to see that second unit score on one on one sessions.

          In order to improve the bench, I thoroughly believe we need a guy down low that can score the ball. Ian can defend and rebound (debatable) but does honestly present a scoring dynamic our bench thoroughly lacks? And I'm not sure if Gerald Green and Augustin can score with the second unit as well as we'd like them too.

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          • #20
            Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

            Some what strange and unexpected moves for sure, but over all, I'd say I'm happy with the changes that have been made. Never thought we had a chance at Deron or Nash.
            "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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            • #21
              Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              So if the pacers contact Steve Nash's agent July 1st and the agent stops Pritchard in midsentence and say no Nash will not come to Indy, sorry. And Pacers stop right there, does that mean they don't pursue big name free agents?

              But that's not what this said:

              The plan going into free agency was simple for the Indiana Pacers.

              There would not be any off-the-wall recruiting pitches by team President Donnie Walsh or general manager Kevin Pritchard in the early hours of July 1 to try to woo All-Star point guard Deron Williams. The Pacers would not be one of many actors in the Dwight Howard soap opera with the Orlando Magic. Nor did the Pacers have interest in a one-year rental of Howard.

              It’s been all about fine-tuning the roster since they lost to the Miami Heat in the second round of the playoffs in May.


              On your second paragraph, it makes perfect sense to me. it is a lot easier to keep someone who is already here then to bring someone new in. Someone who has played a year or two here gets to know the city, the franchise, the facilities and they will have a higher opinion of playing for the pacers after their experience than if they yhave never played here for the pacers. .
              And our own FA's keep it their little secret about how much they like it here? In a down year it would be hard to get a big name FA here, but when things are going good we have an ample shot at just about anybody IF we wanted to put the time, effort, and money into the pursuit. We don't. Walsh has admitted as much several times, and now he's back. He'll occasionally play the small market card because it pacifies fans and is a ready made excuse that persists because it's part of the climate he's created. But when not being directly cornered on the subject he'll talk about lack of interest, lack or pursuit, existing contracts and players, etc.. Just as someone has done above... The Pacers had no interest in pursuing big name FA's this off-season.

              And Bird left with an undercurrent of questions about how/if the owner would spend money. Looks like there could be a connection.
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              • #22
                Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                I love the moves they made, it seems that they are upgrading slowly but surely. I really want to see Paul George emerge this year though. He's my favorite player on the team due to his athleticism, but sometimes it just gets hard to watch him dribble. I want to see him play more like he did in that dallas game last year, though I know you can't expect 30 point nights all the time. I'd be happy to see him average more around 20 though.
                #LanceEffect

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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                  Bball, why don't you just state it as what you really mean. Pacers are content being contenders they really aren't interested in doing what is necessary to win it all.

                  Plus your post I was responding to was in regards to not just this year.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                    I think your expectations for the 26th pick are too high. When was the last time a 26th pick was on a 50 plus win team and was in their regular 8 or 9 man rotation? I figure if he gets into the regular rotation in year 3 and is still in the regular rotation for a year or two. No matter what else, that was a good draft pick at 26th.
                    I get that he's just a 26th pick....but if Miles isn't NBA Ready, I am sure that there are other Players that could have been drafted that could have contributed a lot sooner than later. The Team needs a quick infusion of talent that can come cheap.....drafting a Player like Miles that isn't ready to contribute and may not be ready to do so until the 2nd or 3rd year of his season doesn't make sense.

                    Regardless...as I said....I have little problem with drafting Miles because I understand why he was drafted.....my problem was signing a Player that duplicates or mirrors his skillset that will only sit in front of him in the Frontcourt rotation for the next couple of years while limiting his development over these next couple of seasons.
                    Last edited by CableKC; 07-13-2012, 02:19 PM.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                      Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                      I am still in the camp we could have signed Mahinmi out right and got something of value, even if nothing more than a few 2nd rounders, for two expiring contracts which are cheap and nice pieces.
                      I disagree, because that cap space allows us to pick up an amnestied power forward.

                      But if we don't end up bidding on one, then I completely agree. That trade was pointless.
                      This space for rent.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        Bball, why don't you just state it as what you really mean. Pacers are content being contenders they really aren't interested in doing what is necessary to win it all.

                        Plus your post I was responding to was in regards to not just this year.
                        I get so tired of reading how this is basketball Siberia and that's why no big name FA's ever come here when there's ample evidence we don't pursue them anyway. Walsh's entire time here was using the MO that we'd not pursue high $$ FA's. And with some of the things we've learned about Simon, and add in Bird's odd departure and comments, I think the circumstantial evidence is fairly solid.
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • #27
                          Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                          I disagree, because that cap space allows us to pick up an amnestied power forward.

                          But if we don't end up bidding on one, then I completely agree. That trade was pointless.
                          We are going to bid. The only question is will we bid high enough?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            I get that he's just a 26th pick....but if Miles isn't NBA Ready, I am sure that there are other Players that could have been drafted that could have contributed a lot sooner than later. The Team needs a quick infusion of talent that can come cheap.....drafting a Player like Miles that isn't ready to contribute and may not be ready to do so until the 2nd or 3rd year of his season doesn't make sense.
                            Lets look at last years draft and see if any players drafted 26 or latter were in the regular rotaiton of a good team.

                            26th - Jordan Hamilton
                            27th - JuJuan Johnson
                            28th - Norris Cole
                            29th - Cory Joseph
                            30th - Jimmy Butler

                            I was going to list the second round picks but no need to, none of them were regular rotation player. So the only player was Norris Cole and he was borderline regular rotation

                            2010 - which I believe was consdered a much better draft.
                            26th - Quincy Pondexter
                            27th - Jordan Crawford
                            28th - Greivis Vasquez
                            29th - Daniel Orton
                            30th - Lazar Hayward

                            OK I am still searching. I mean lance Stevenson was taken 40th and he might be a regular contributor this season in his third. Otherwise no one else has to this point.


                            it is rare that a 26th pick and lower even lasts in the NBA let alone becaomes a regulr rotation player

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                            • #29
                              Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                              Because you don't always draft a player on his abilities, the point of the draft really is to get a player that improves your team, in a sense of gives your team a better chance to win. And that might not always be the best player at your choice.

                              The pacers got Klee because he filled a need for the team not that he was the best player available.

                              Hope this makes sense

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                                I could be taking this the wrong way but the one part in that entire article that stuck out to me that made me cringe a little bit

                                a team trying to reach the Eastern Conference finals.
                                now if they meant that as the next step in progression on the way to the finals then that's all well and good but shouldn't that be "a team trying to reach the NBA Finals...

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