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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • #16
    Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

    You have a point, but the things you list about our bench players we see each of them do it like one in six games, if that. Consistency, where is it?

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    • #17
      Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      What do YOU mean by "you people?"
      What do YOU​ mean by "you people"?

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      • #18
        Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

        Originally posted by Merz View Post
        I'm not a big advocate of a lot of the negativity, but that negativity doesn't make anyone less of a fan. Sometimes people are just negative...whether it is in the sports world or not.

        What exactly is a "real fan"? I'd say the people who get so emotionally invested in this team that they feel the need to vent are in fact real fans. If they were not fans, why would they waste their time here, on a fan site? Not every negative fan is a troll, in fact most aren't.

        Also not every one is negative. Sometimes the downers just have the loudest voices.
        Fan is short for "fanatic." It varies with what happens. I am a very positive Pacer fan in general but I am a very negative former Colts fan. You are right, it is because we become emotionally invested in these teams and it brings out the best and worst in all of us..... ...

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        • #19
          Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

          Originally posted by Pingu View Post
          I don't think that's the way the saying goes...
          And it isn't necessarily true..... ...

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          • #20
            Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

            Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
            so err why did u make this thread?

            it's a forum people will have diverse opinions if you dont like it dont come on
            Because that's his diverse opinion. If you don't like it, don't answer to his thread
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • #21
              Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

              I work for a small company but we have built a fairly good client base. If we lost a client to a bigger competitor and I told my boss, "gee, what do you expect, we can't compete with these bigger firms" he would probably fire me. Now of course I don't expect the Pacers to win a championship every year but I don't think its unrealistic to expect this team to be a consistent contender and perhaps win a title someday.

              I understand OPs point about realistic expectations for a small market team but that's such a lame excuse that could be used no matter how good/bad the Pacers are.

              And as for the knee jerk reaction people, just ignore them, I try to analyze games in sets of ten, makes it a lot easier.

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              • #22
                Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

                Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                I work for a small company but we have built a fairly good client base. If we lost a client to a bigger competitor and I told my boss, "gee, what do you expect, we can't compete with these bigger firms" he would probably fire me. Now of course I don't expect the Pacers to win a championship every year but I don't think its unrealistic to expect this team to be a consistent contender and perhaps win a title someday.

                I understand OPs point about realistic expectations for a small market team but that's such a lame excuse that could be used no matter how good/bad the Pacers are.

                And as for the knee jerk reaction people, just ignore them, I try to analyze games in sets of ten, makes it a lot easier.
                I think he was right. This team has been to the finals one time and I think the ECF twice or three times it its history. Just look at the NBA champions for the last twenty years and note how few teams that really represents. The Pacers can be a playoff team consistently but they can't get the kind of stars that propell and NBA Championship. Don't give me the good team can beat the star studded team crap, that happens about once in every 25 years or so. This team, even with a healthy Granger, rated to be a fifth or sixth seed in my eyes and they would be making a first round exit unless a Dwight Howard situation occurred. If Howard had not been hurt, I think Orlando would have swept them last year........ ...

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                • #23
                  Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

                  I know we will never be Miami or LA in terms of getting free agents, but all I ask is that we do everything we can do become the Spurs of the East.

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                  • #24
                    Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

                    Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                    I know we will never be Miami or LA in terms of getting free agents, but all I ask is that we do everything we can do become the Spurs of the East.
                    So we'll draft 2 hall of fame centers, where their careers overlap by up to five years, erase everyone's advanced scouting knowledge since the time Ginobili was scouted so we can get a fantastic shooting guard with a late 2nd round pick, and then get a really good PG with the 28th pick. Let's do it!!

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                    • #25
                      Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

                      Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                      I think he was right. This team has been to the finals one time and I think the ECF twice or three times it its history. Just look at the NBA champions for the last twenty years and note how few teams that really represents. The Pacers can be a playoff team consistently but they can't get the kind of stars that propell and NBA Championship. Don't give me the good team can beat the star studded team crap, that happens about once in every 25 years or so. This team, even with a healthy Granger, rated to be a fifth or sixth seed in my eyes and they would be making a first round exit unless a Dwight Howard situation occurred. If Howard had not been hurt, I think Orlando would have swept them last year........ ...
                      Miami is less than half the size of Indianapolis. Indianapolis could sustain the Pacers easily. We could have let ourselves be really bad and grab some top 5 draft picks looking for a star. We could have used the fact that we were so bad to create a package for a star. But we didn't, and we collected above average talent. Probably because Simon was afraid that a few years of tankings would more negatively impact our attendance. Which may sound like I'm agreeing with you, but I'm not.

                      Our starting 5 was the most dominant 5 person team in the past year. Stop acting like our first 20 games this year validates you saying we would have been swept by Dwight Howard. We are playing .500 ball, as many of our losses as wins have been incredibly close. We are missing our best player and the moves to our bench didn't work out very well. We are a top 4 team in the easy when all of our guys are healthy. Our FO may have been shortsided to build our team the way they have, but what they have created with a team built with no stars is truly impressive.
                      Last edited by aamcguy; 12-09-2012, 03:19 PM.
                      Time for a new sig.

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                      • #26
                        Why do you think Indianapolis being bigger than Miami has anything to do with this....

                        It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                        Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                        Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
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                        • #27
                          Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

                          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                          Why do you think Indianapolis being bigger than Miami has anything to do with this....
                          Several posters, including the OP, said that a reason to temper expectations was because we are a small market team. Still others referenced it and have done so in the past by saying that Indy just can't acquire stars.

                          Honestly, that was the least important part of my post though. (After the edit, which you may not have caught)
                          Time for a new sig.

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                          • #28
                            Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

                            Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                            Miami is less than half the size of Indianapolis.
                            City limits, yes. Metro area, no. Miami/Ft Lauderdale is about 60 percent bigger than Indy.

                            http://www.sportstvjobs.com/resource...sizes-dma.html

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                            • #29
                              Re: What the heck is wrong with you people?

                              Originally posted by OlBlu
                              This team has been to the finals one time and I think the ECF twice or three times it its history.
                              Dude please brush up on your Pacers history.

                              3 ABA championships. A long time ago, I know, but it happened.
                              SIX ECF appearances. That's right, six - in one decade!. We made the ECF in 94, 95, 98, 99, 2000, and 2004. And 2004 was an almost entirely rebuilt team from the previous ones.
                              One Finals appearance. We went 6 games vs. Shaq and Kobe in the Finals. Nothing to be ashamed of for sure.

                              We really were a contender in the 90s folks. We weren't QUITE good enough to beat the Jordan Bulls or the Shaq/Kobe Lakers. But neither were a lot of other really good teams - the Knicks, Jazz, Sonics, Suns, Kings etc. We were right there with the top teams. In fact in 98 I think we would have won it if not for the LJ 4-point play.

                              Just saying. Getting a championship here would be really really tough but it can be done.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                                Several posters, including the OP, said that a reason to temper expectations was because we are a small market team. Still others referenced it and have done so in the past by saying that Indy just can't acquire stars.

                                Honestly, that was the least important part of my post though. (After the edit, which you may not have caught)
                                Compared to Miami, indy is a small market. That was my point. The city itself is bigger, but the market size is much smaller.

                                It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

                                Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
                                Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
                                NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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