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  • #16
    Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

    Oh wow I just read the article all the way through. I had know he didn't play for sore knees but he didn't even come out to the court? Lol. I pity Kings fans I don't know why Ron must spread his venom among another loyal fan base.


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    • #17
      Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

      He wants to be Kobe thats what he wants to be. He really does not care about winning anymore, he did before but not anymore. He wants to score 28 ppg and be a all-star. Thats why he asked for a trade. And now most of the time he is doing interviews he talks about Kobe Bryant and Lebron James.

      Most of you Kings fans will be telling your self BAH this is nothing, Ron is really hurt, everything is gonna be okay. Just like I did year after year after year, I could not bring myself to hate a guy with talent like that. But dont make the mistake I did.

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      • #18
        Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

        I was never a Ron Artest fan here , so when he was traded I was okay with it , feeling he'd done too much damage here to even consider keeping him. As I watch him in Sacramento pulling the same stuff its just a matter of time before he does something to warrant moving him again.

        Ron is the perfect example of the above average player with problems , who every GM ,coach or manager sees for talent and thinks they can change him. Ron will never change , sad to because he's actually a pretty nice guy off the court.

        If Sacramento tries to trade him, teams will line up all thinking the same thing- it will be different here , Ron's talent and age will make him a player someone will take a chance on for at least the next 5-7 years.

        Or are we Pacer fans just reading too much into his perceived problems developing with the Kings? Time will tell , but there will be a market for Ronnie.

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        • #19
          Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

          Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
          Ron doesnt miss games with sore knees, he is tough he could play through it but its clear he doesnt want to play for you guys.

          Exactly. This is a guy that played with a root exposed after having a tooth knocked out (against Philly) and came back from a torn ligament in his hand (was supposed to miss about two months) after two games. I doubt knees are going to keep him out if he wants to play.

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          • #20
            Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

            I figured there would be a problem when Ron wanted Adelman and they let him go, then let Bonzi walk when Ron clearly wanted him to remain on the team. Add to that the emergence of Martin, and Ron's probably got it in his head that he's being disrespected by management and won't get the number of touches he deserves, much less the salary he's worth.

            Trade him now before this gets really ugly.

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            • #21
              Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

              Originally posted by Eindar View Post

              Trade him now before this gets really ugly.
              What's his contract situation? I can't imagine any team being interested in him other than for some kind of contract benefit...Wait, I'll take that back. The Knicks would want him.

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              • #22
                Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                The others have already said it. Yes, be concerned; he's doing what he did here.
                One thing I would add is that I don't think it's the "beginning of the end", this is just Ron everyday. It hasn't gotten worse, it's been like this from day 1.

                It's like dating a girl that turns out to be a total freak. The warning signs were there but you either ignored them because you were just happy to be involved or you read them to just be cute quirks.

                Looking back later you think "how did I not see all that".

                Ron is high maintenance which is why Peck is kinda right about "do whatever he wants". My concern with that is that again using the "girlfriend freak" analogy you sometimes find out that even giving in on everything isn't enough. Sometimes doing THAT is the problem for them, as in "I just wanted some tough love".

                It's not about fixing them, it's about getting the F away ASAP.

                Ron is not mean-spirited, he's just selfish. He likes to play ball, but he has a child-like mentality on life and seems to have a disconnect with adult responsibility. A child can handle responsibility - "make sure no one takes this" - but at random times they will let their mind wander to other interests and drop the ball on that responsibility.


                And that's how Ron gets people, he's sincere when he talks about wanting to win it all and playing hard and regrets for things he said or did. Then something shiney goes bouncing by and he totally forgets all that and follows his selfish interest.


                Peck's right - you had trouble from day one. And I was a huge Ron supporter till the final trade demand behavior showed me just how selfish he really could be. Cross your fingers and hope for a soft landing.

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                • #23
                  Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

                  Originally posted by VF21 View Post
                  If you haven't heard, Ron Artest pulled himself out of tonight's game against the Wizards about 30 minutes before game time. In the post-game write-up by the regular Kings beat writer, Sam Amick of the Sacramento Bee, said:

                  http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/96921.html



                  So, Pacer fans? Is this the beginning of the end? Or is this just par for the course?

                  I don't want to stir up anything so if this isn't appropriate, Hicks, please close it or move it or whatever you choose.
                  Yes, it is just par for the course.

                  And Yes, it is the beginning of the end.

                  Sorry.....

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                  • #24
                    Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

                    Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                    I was never a Ron Artest fan here , so when he was traded I was okay with it , feeling he'd done too much damage here to even consider keeping him. As I watch him in Sacramento pulling the same stuff its just a matter of time before he does something to warrant moving him again.

                    Ron is the perfect example of the above average player with problems , who every GM ,coach or manager sees for talent and thinks they can change him. Ron will never change , sad to because he's actually a pretty nice guy off the court.

                    If Sacramento tries to trade him, teams will line up all thinking the same thing- it will be different here , Ron's talent and age will make him a player someone will take a chance on for at least the next 5-7 years.

                    Or are we Pacer fans just reading too much into his perceived problems developing with the Kings? Time will tell , but there will be a market for Ronnie.
                    I think you're wrong. He's been shown the door twice, soon to be 3 times. This time lasted how long??
                    The signs are in 10' tall burning red letters.
                    I'm guessing most everyone is getting it now.
                    You might notice nobody wanted Letrell Sprewell and a couple of other bad boys last year.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

                      I was watching a bit of the end of the Post-Game show on TNT by Craig Sager and Kenny Smith....and they were talking more about the problems that the Kings have now with their offensive identity...which results in the 10-14 record they have now. I am guessing that some of this relates to the underlying "Artest" issue that may ( or may not ) be brewing....but I think that there are greater issues to the King's woes then just Artest. Maybe its just related to getting used to playing under Musselman?
                      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

                        As soon as they hired Musselmen I knew that was it with good behavior from Ron. Living in the Bay and watching the Warriors all the time, you could easily tell that Musselmen is not a players coach, a whole lot of people believe that he is the reason Arenas left the Warriors. He wont let Ron do whatever he wants on offense and that pisses Ron off.

                        Adelman let Ron do whatever he wanted, I actually saw Ron bringing the ball up the court and playing the Lamar Odom role for Adelman. Ron has some of the worst handles in the NBA no way should he be allowed to bring the ball up the court. But Adelman let him do that and Ron wanted him to stay. Once they fired him, thats where it started to go down hill.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

                          I just asked my Magic 8 Ball "What is the liklihood of Artest being traded to the Knicks for QRich before the trade deadline?" and it said "Yes".

                          The Maloofs have to act fast...cuz the Zeke "Knicks Pain-train" is likely to come to an end soon......they may not have the opportunity to get something of value in return from a coach that is in love with his "talent" but is blind to his "issues".

                          Next stop on the Tru-Warrior tour......MSG.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

                            Originally posted by Dat Dude View Post
                            He wants to be Kobe thats what he wants to be. He really does not care about winning anymore, he did before but not anymore. He wants to score 28 ppg and be a all-star. Thats why he asked for a trade. And now most of the time he is doing interviews he talks about Kobe Bryant and Lebron James.

                            Most of you Kings fans will be telling your self BAH this is nothing, Ron is really hurt, everything is gonna be okay. Just like I did year after year after year, I could not bring myself to hate a guy with talent like that. But dont make the mistake I did.


                            I too was on his bandwagon until he made his trade request, so WAY too long.

                            Try to get picks or something for (mo)Ron or dump him on the Knicks or the Lakers ... or Utah! Sloan and the fans in this state would kill him after a week!

                            Regards,

                            Mourning
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                            • #29
                              Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

                              Originally posted by PacerMan View Post
                              I think you're wrong. He's been shown the door twice, soon to be 3 times. This time lasted how long??
                              The signs are in 10' tall burning red letters.
                              I'm guessing most everyone is getting it now.
                              You might notice nobody wanted Letrell Sprewell and a couple of other bad boys last year.

                              I'm wondering what's going to happen if he requests a trade soon. I sincerely wonder if anyone will want him.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Should Kings fans be concerned?

                                "And that's how Ron gets people, he's sincere when he talks about wanting to win it all and playing hard and regrets for things he said or did. Then something shiney goes bouncing by and he totally forgets all that and follows his selfish interest."

                                Boy I love this line wiht Ron. This is so true becuase he is such a talent and has all the skills to be the perfect team player that could thrive in any situation. Just last night I was listening to the scores and heard Sac gave up over 120 points to washington and thought to my self.. how in the world does Sac/Artest team give up that many points to wash.. know I know he wasn't playing. Sac has enough offense to win games with out artest scoring and can be a very good defensive team especially with Artest doing what he does best. OH well it is one thing that made me happy about the situation last year.. I knew I no longer was going to have to worry about what artest was going to do or not do..
                                You didn't think it was gonna be that easy, did you? ..... You know, for a second there, yeah, I kinda did.....
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