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The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

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  • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

    I ain't got to say anything. Jack's performance speaks for itself.

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    • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

      Goldern state before Sarunas... Heading nowhere.
      After Sarunas... Heading to the second round.

      The facts speak for themselves!



      -Bball
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

        This performance should just make Jack fans angry... if Jack didn't act up all the time he'd still be a Pacer. Oh well, it was quite fun watching him and the Dubs.
        You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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        • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

          YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.

          I told yall the Warriors got this. Stack Jack >>>

          Bay Area >>>

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          • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

            Originally posted by Bball View Post
            Goldern state before Sarunas... Heading nowhere.
            After Sarunas... Heading to the second round.

            The facts speak for themselves!



            -Bball
            Exactly! He's the "golden boy" and warriors are destined to win it all. Sadly for me ("Saras fanboy"), he isn't adding anything on the court, but at least he's working well as the talisman
            I'm really sorry because of my english (which is my 3-4 language) and I really appreciate Your patience. I hope this board will make me better

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            • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

              I really don't get how there can still be so much hate. Can't people just be glad for the Warriors and how damn hard they played this series? It was so damn entertaining, even the blowouts. Hell, I might even buy the DVD.

              Lol @ the difference between Al and Saras faces at the end of it all.

              Lol also if the league ends up giving Dirk the MVP. LMAO
              You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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              • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

                Steph "the Madman" Jack Played like this when he was stil a Pacer.......

                .................But he also played horribly when they lost.

                Steph Jack is like Right Minus Wrong.......But a better version of Antoine Walker

                But I Loved the Madman when he followed to help Artest in the stands.

                I Loved his loyalty

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                • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

                  Originally posted by Bball View Post
                  Goldern state before Sarunas... Heading nowhere.
                  After Sarunas... Heading to the second round.

                  The facts speak for themselves!



                  -Bball
                  Indiana Pacers with Sarunas ... Playoff time!

                  Indiana Pacers without Sarunas ... Playground time!

                  The facts speak for themselves!

                  Maceo Baston's #1 fan on Pacers Digest!

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                  • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

                    Good for GSW. Good for Jackson.

                    We as Pacers fans should not be mad that we traded Jackson but for the fact that we picked up Al. He is "MIA". The Playoffs and Al do not mix. The Hawks was the best place for him. Jackson would have never played like that here. RC's system would not let him and quite frankly I don't think we have the PG to dish it to him.

                    Baron Davis has separated himself from Steve Francis and Marbury. Those three were linked together a few years back and now it is evident that Baron Davis is as important to the GSW as Nash is to the Suns

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                    • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

                      I need duct tape to stop my head from exploding.

                      We should be in the playoffs right now and not the Warriors. Fire Larry!!

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                      • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

                        Good for the Golden State fans. They've waited a loooong time for something like this. I remember back when we were in that situation and the feeling of turning the corner was just awesome. Good for them.
                        The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                        • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

                          Originally posted by Cobol Sam View Post
                          I know that I've been tuning into every Dallas vs. Golden State game because I want to see the underdog win.
                          I wish we could start a new thread to discuss just this aspect. I've debated the Jackson specific/bad trade stuff as much as anyone, but I'd also like to have a line of discussion ONLY talking about the kind of ball GS is playing as if it were any other unique and exciting team.

                          Naturally the ties to Indy would still be brought up, but not as the point of debate as they are in here.

                          If you haven't watched this series you don't know what you are missing, everyone else in America thinks it's as good as basketball gets.


                          AVERY vs NELLIE
                          On that note, as I've said before in here (and elsewhere) this was BY FAR the most exciting bit of ball played in the first round. Nellie's scheme was pure genius and even Avery was pretty crafty in trying to counter the situation at times.

                          Avery attacked the injured Baron for great success, he countered with a smaller lineup even at one point, he basically pulled out all the stops trying to break the momentum. You could see he and Nellie throwing lineup/strategy changes like punches at each other, attack, counter, attack, counter.

                          Harris attacks us, we put him on the baseline against Jack at the other end to get a foul. Baron goes right at Terry/Dirk, we'll go right at Baron to put pressure on him too.


                          JACK/POST GAME
                          But the fact was that Jackson just truly destroyed Dirk in the post, especially in game 6. Kerr agreed, Barkley agreed, everyone watching the game saw it. Dirk was taken out of the series and it was all thanks to Jack eliminating any possible post game from Dirk.

                          Jack would get up under his armpit and deny the ball, on shot attempts by others Jack would firmly plant his butt into Dirk's hip and drive him off the rim, it was classic playoff-caliber physical play and it cause Dirk tons of problems since he is more finesse. Dirk got literally one post make against Jack and that came when Jack fell/was pushed to the ground while fighting him on post-position.

                          J-RICH
                          To match with that you had Rich helping out himself and also being a very physical defender, sometimes on Dirk but also with the rest of the Dallas frontline. Rich wasn't always the offensive focus, but he was constantly having an impact. To me Rich bridged the gap between Jack's physical style and the speed/hustle game of Barnes.

                          PIETRUS
                          Pietrus also played similar to Rich, as a jump shot offensive guy that turned into a fast, physical big on the other end, closing out shooters and banging with the biggest of guys.

                          BARNES
                          Barnes too was just outstanding. He used pure hustle to play "big" vs the Dallas frontline, beating guys to rebounds, flat-out taking it to the rim (did you see that down the lane dunk right over Dirk!!!), and constantly rotating fast to the defend the rim when any Dallas player drove.

                          BARON
                          Baron was actually a bit of a problem last night, though obviously he was hurting. But he forced some pretty terrible shots (one of which even went in). That surprised me. And being hurt he was a defensive gap most of the night. But still he came through at times and prior to this game he was virtually an unstoppable weapon, cruising past Terry at will.


                          BIGS FOR NEXT ROUND
                          And the thing is they still have Al who did go for 43-45% from 3 this year, even in GS as well as Biedrens who is a very quick and crafty big man (exactly the reason they could punt on Ike). If they see Houston in the next round they can still match their size.

                          Keep in mind that GS beat both Houston and Utah as part of their monster run post the Jack/Baron injury window. They lost in Utah as well, but barely. They clearly can play with the big boys (in terms of size that is) as well as the fast or finesse teams. They also beat PHX down the stretch too.

                          ONLY ONE TEAM CAN STOP THEM it would appear - the Spurs.
                          That was the one team that clearly handled them once they became the team they are now. Otherwise I think we have to take those regular season results very seriously.


                          WHAT BEAT DALLAS IN GAME 6
                          Jackson again - having talked about the team, it should be said that Jackson specifically broke the Mavs in half last night during the 3rd quarter. It was a 2 point game and then Jack just dropped 3 bomb after 3 bomb, created a big steal, went baseline for a layup (classic move from him), and by the time he cooled off in the mid-4th the Mavs were down by 20 and beaten.

                          Oh, and even when his offense fell off he went ahead and picked up TWO CHARGING calls against the Mavs, which is even better than a regular steal or turnover because it's a foul and a TO combined.

                          Jackson clearly was the #1 factor on the court in game 6 for either team and the main (but not only) reason the Warriors won that close out game for the BIGGEST UPSET in the playoff history. Barkley also said Jack was the best player on the court in that game, and no one was arguing with him.



                          See the fans there had no problems getting over Jack standing arguing with a ref while the play went back the other way (which he did blatently in game 6). Why? Because they were weighing the good vs the bad and saw that there was a lot more good coming from him.

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                          • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

                            Originally posted by Bball View Post
                            Goldern state before Sarunas... Heading nowhere.
                            After Sarunas... Heading to the second round.

                            The facts speak for themselves!



                            -Bball

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                            • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

                              Originally posted by SoupIsGood View Post
                              This performance should just make Jack fans angry... if Jack didn't act up all the time he'd still be a Pacer. Oh well, it was quite fun watching him and the Dubs.
                              He got kicked out of TWO GAMES in THIS SERIES, he got fined 50K from the league for one of them. He stood and argued with a ref in GAME 6, the game he took over and crushed Dallas in.

                              Okay, reality check Jack haters, his attitude has been 100% EXACTLY THE SAME in Oakland. IDENTICAL. Every problem you guys boo'd him for is still going on. During the regular season Warriors fans mentioned his temper, his poor handles at times and his streaky shot.


                              What they didn't do was boo him off the court and demand that the Warriors drop him. That's why they are in round 2 having knocked off the #1 regular season team and the Pacers finished with one of the worst records in the NBA post-AS break.

                              Tolerance. Maybe Ron broke ours, but honestly fans have gotten to the point where they boo guys who get hurt too much even. Fans were riding JO for missing a shot even if he took 2 charges and blocked 3 shots at the other end.



                              Please also note that my issue with Dun is less about his game and more about TPTB taking back a SF when they needed a SG. If it had been PIETRUS instead of Ike and only Al for Troy to go with it then you would have had a balanced trade.

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                              • Re: The Official Golden State/Stephen Jackson Thread

                                Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                                Every problem you guys boo'd him for is still going on.
                                He's still punching out Detroit fans? Damn.
                                You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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