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Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

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  • #16
    Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

    Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
    Do you want to know who is the most happy about this? RG3. He will have a great rookie year for the Redskins while Luck struggles with the talentless Colts. Anyone want to bet who makes the pro bowl team first, RG3 or Luck? I'll take RG3. I think Luck will not last the season and will wind up on the DL because of a lack of protection. That won't be Peyton Manning back there unloading in a microsecond...... I think Colts fans will be astounded by how bad they really will be. Last year will look good......

    Did you watch the games last year? Several of them were close despite our putrid QB play. With an mediocre QB we would have won 6 or so games last year. We just happened to have the worst QB play in the NFL.

    New QB, new coaching staff, and new philosophy = better record than 2-14.

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    • #17
      Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
      Did you watch the games last year? Several of them were close despite our putrid QB play. With an mediocre QB we would have won 6 or so games last year. We just happened to have the worst QB play in the NFL.

      New QB, new coaching staff, and new philosophy = better record than 2-14.
      No No No.... The next several Super Bowls will feature the Broncos and the Redskins. The Colts will be lucky to win any games at all. They'll be playing in an empty stadium with Luck in a body cast while the Broncos and Redskins dominate all of professional football for years and years. They will be so dominant that they will even play some basketball thru the week against NBA teams... and beat them too. I don't know how you guys don't see this coming.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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      • #18
        Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
        Do you want to know who is the most happy about this? RG3. He will have a great rookie year for the Redskins while Luck struggles with the talentless Colts. Anyone want to bet who makes the pro bowl team first, RG3 or Luck? I'll take RG3. I think Luck will not last the season and will wind up on the DL because of a lack of protection. That won't be Peyton Manning back there unloading in a microsecond...... I think Colts fans will be astounded by how bad they really will be. Last year will look good......
        It is hilarious to think Luck will get hurt before RG3. RG3 is smaller and will run more. No way he makes it thru the season in one piece.
        Luck is going no#1 for a reason. He is better than RG3 period. The media has hyped RG3 into a great prospect. Nobody heard of him until ESPN decided to show him shred all those terrible defenses he played against while running his elementary school style offense.
        Luck played against better talent on a bigger stage for a longer period of time. He also had nobody but a TE to throw too while RG3 had multiple weapons. This is the easiest pick in draft history!

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        • #19
          Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

          People stop quoting OlBlu. I don't want to read his troll garbage. He's the Skip Bayless of this board: He only says the things he does to get a reaction out of people.

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          • #20
            Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

            [QUOTE=cdash;1423737]People stop quoting OlBlu. I don't want to read his troll garbage. He's the Skip Bayless of this board: He only says the things he does to get a reaction out of people.[/QUOTe

            His name didnt ring a bell. I should have known when I seen all the responses to his idiotic post that he was a troll. Real Colts fans are smarter than that!

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            • #21
              Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

              Originally posted by troyc11a View Post
              It is hilarious to think Luck will get hurt before RG3. RG3 is smaller and will run more. No way he makes it thru the season in one piece.
              Luck is going no#1 for a reason. He is better than RG3 period. The media has hyped RG3 into a great prospect. Nobody heard of him until ESPN decided to show him shred all those terrible defenses he played against while running his elementary school style offense.
              Luck played against better talent on a bigger stage for a longer period of time. He also had nobody but a TE to throw too while RG3 had multiple weapons. This is the easiest pick in draft history!
              Plus the Redskins as a franchise absolutely blow. I live in DC and have watched nearly every game for the past 8 years. If I were RGIII I would actually pull an Eli/Elway and refuse to play for Dan Snyder. He has raped what was once one of the league's perennial franchises and they won't be any good until he's gone. I know our resident Redskins fan, my good buddy VA, will reprimand me for this and tell me that Snyder's hired a real GM, but I'll believe it when I see it. When has Snyder ever demonstrated tact or temerity?

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              • #22
                Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                Did you watch the games last year? Several of them were close despite our putrid QB play. With an mediocre QB we would have won 6 or so games last year. We just happened to have the worst QB play in the NFL.

                New QB, new coaching staff, and new philosophy = better record than 2-14.
                It won't happen. The QB play will be better until Luck goes down but there are no players. None. I'm not making this up, many experts see them being the worst team in the NFL for at least the next two or three years. Just look at the Pro Bowlers gone and replaced with rookies or other teams castoffs..... Some are saying I am a troll but sometimes you have to look at things as they really are, not the way you would like for them to be. Washington is a MUCH better team than the Colts and RG3 is going to have a great year. I'm not saying he will get Cam Newton numbers but he will be a lot closer to that than Luck.......

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                • #23
                  Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                  [QUOTE=troyc11a;1423742]
                  Originally posted by cdash View Post
                  People stop quoting OlBlu. I don't want to read his troll garbage. He's the Skip Bayless of this board: He only says the things he does to get a reaction out of people.[/QUOTe

                  His name didnt ring a bell. I should have known when I seen all the responses to his idiotic post that he was a troll. Real Colts fans are smarter than that!
                  There was nothing idiotic about that post. It was the truth and save it. Don't bother, I will post it again when I am proven right.......

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                  • #24
                    Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                    What experts are saying the Colts will be the worst team in the NFL over the next few years? Anyone who is saying that simply did not watch the game last year. We had opportunities to win several of those games but we had the worst QB play in the league with Collins and Painter. Those guys just couldn't make any plays. You get a QB with average ability (which is what you would hope Luck would at least be as a rookie) and you will have the opportunity to at least improve that record from 2 wins to 5 or 6. By no means am I saying that this team is going to the playoffs or anything like that, but we should win more games than last year.

                    One think you neglect to point out with RGIII is that he plays in the very tough NFC East. He is going to play 6 games a year against the Giants, Eagles, and Cowboys. I'd much rather play 6 games against the Texans, Jaguars, and Titans.

                    Our road schedule is brutal this year, but our home games are: Minnesota, Jacksonville, Green Bay, Cleveland, Miami, Buffalo, Tenn, and Houston. Aside from Green Bay, that is a very easy home schedule. We should have the opportunity to win several of those.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                      What experts are saying the Colts will be the worst team in the NFL over the next few years? Anyone who is saying that simply did not watch the game last year. We had opportunities to win several of those games but we had the worst QB play in the league with Collins and Painter. Those guys just couldn't make any plays. You get a QB with average ability (which is what you would hope Luck would at least be as a rookie) and you will have the opportunity to at least improve that record from 2 wins to 5 or 6. By no means am I saying that this team is going to the playoffs or anything like that, but we should win more games than last year.

                      One think you neglect to point out with RGIII is that he plays in the very tough NFC East. He is going to play 6 games a year against the Giants, Eagles, and Cowboys. I'd much rather play 6 games against the Texans, Jaguars, and Titans.

                      Our road schedule is brutal this year, but our home games are: Minnesota, Jacksonville, Green Bay, Cleveland, Miami, Buffalo, Tenn, and Houston. Aside from Green Bay, that is a very easy home schedule. We should have the opportunity to win several of those.
                      Mel Kipper for one thinks the Colts will be the worst team in the NFL this year and quailfy for the number one pick in back to back years. He also thinks they will have a shot at doing that next year. There are many more. Where do you find even one who thinks the Colts are going to win any games this year? Some experts think they will go 0-16.... That is a very easy hom schedule? You have a chance against Jacksonville and Miami maybe...........

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                      • #26
                        Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                        Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                        Mel Kipper for one thinks the Colts will be the worst team in the NFL this year and quailfy for the number one pick in back to back years. He also thinks they will have a shot at doing that next year. There are many more. Where do you find even one who thinks the Colts are going to win any games this year? Some experts think they will go 0-16.... That is a very easy hom schedule? You have a chance against Jacksonville and Miami maybe...........
                        What makes Minnesota (3-13), Cleveland (4-12), and Buffalo (6-10) better than the Colts this season?

                        We also split with the Texans last season.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                          Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                          Please ban him im deadset tired of reading tripe OlBlue posts.
                          We used to ban people asking to ban other people.

                          The admins will deal with bannable offenses, opinions are rarely that.
                          It is the exact reason why you have an ignore function on this board on top of which no one demands you react or take the content serious.

                          It's all up to you.
                          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                            Originally posted by OlBlu View Post
                            Mel Kipper for one thinks the Colts will be the worst team in the NFL this year and quailfy for the number one pick in back to back years. He also thinks they will have a shot at doing that next year.
                            Mel Kiper is not an NFL Analyst, he's a Draft Expert. Meaning he spends most of his time watching/scouting COLLEGE Football.

                            His opinion on how good an NFL team might be is as irrelevant as Adam Schefter's opinions.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                              Originally posted by able View Post
                              We used to ban people asking to ban other people.

                              The admins will deal with bannable offenses, opinions are rarely that.
                              It is the exact reason why you have an ignore function on this board on top of which no one demands you react or take the content serious.

                              It's all up to you.
                              I have the fella on ignore, but I still end up reading 80% of his posts because people quote him in their responses. So while in theory the ignore function is nice, it doesn't really accomplish it's goals.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Colts inform Luck he'll be No. 1 pick

                                To paraphrase Bill Tobin: Who the hell is Mel Kipper?
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