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According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

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  • #16
    Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    Could he win a championship there? I think that if he wants to win one he is gonna have to go to the Lakers, maybe Bynum for Nash?
    The Lakers would not give up Bynum for Carmello. Now way they part with him for an aging Nash. I wouldnt even give up one of our young core players for him.

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    • #17
      Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

      All the people who killed Carmelo for wanting a trade are just as mad at Nash right now, correct?

      Also, everyone who thinks superstars shouldn't all go to big market teams will be equally furious I hope.

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      • #18
        Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

        Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
        The Pacers could trade DC + a future 1st rounder for Nash and take back more salary this offseason. I'm just saying... they could.

        That would be absolutely nuts.... just saying.

        Nash would not make us a lot better and certainly not an instant contender. I love Nash, but we'd be giving up a piece of our young core and a 1st, no thanks.

        He's 37, 37! let me say that again he's 37!
        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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        • #19
          Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

          Originally posted by Hoop View Post
          That would be absolutely nuts.... just saying.

          Nash would not make us a lot better and certainly not an instant contender. I love Nash, but we'd be giving up a piece of our young core and a 1st, no thanks.

          He's 37, 37! let me say that again he's 37!

          Just what exactly is he worth in trade? Two firsts and a player?
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          • #20
            Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

            Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
            All the people who killed Carmelo for wanting a trade are just as mad at Nash right now, correct?

            Also, everyone who thinks superstars shouldn't all go to big market teams will be equally furious I hope.
            No. There's a distinction between a guy who *might* be at the middle of the prime of his career and a guy who only has a few years left in the league. He and the Suns have run their course. Him leaving now isn't the same as CLE losing LeBron or DEN losing Melo.

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            • #21
              Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

              I have to say trading Nash for DC+ 1st round Pick is NO good. Nash is one of my favorite players obviously. I don't wanna trade our future for the past. Nash could make the Pacers even more relevant for 1-2 seasons max, then a retirement. I'd rather stay relevant, well, forever. But DC and our young core will keep us relevant for much much longer.
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              • #22
                Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

                Originally posted by Hibbert55 View Post
                I have to say trading Nash for DC+ 1st round Pick is NO good. Nash is one of my favorite players obviously. I don't wanna trade our future for the past. Nash could make the Pacers even more relevant for 1-2 seasons max, then a retirement. I'd rather stay relevant, well, forever. But DC and our young core will keep us relevant for much much longer.
                I agree; it's too late. If Nash were a few years younger, I'd offer Collison plus whatever else in a heartbeat, but it doesn't make sense now.

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                • #23
                  Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

                  Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                  All the people who killed Carmelo for wanting a trade are just as mad at Nash right now, correct?

                  Also, everyone who thinks superstars shouldn't all go to big market teams will be equally furious I hope.
                  Looking back at it, nobody ever got mad at Charles Barkley for demanding and eventually forcing trades to contenders (not once, but twice) when it became evident the teams he was on were on the decline.

                  The same Barkley who ripped on Lebron, a guy who never demanded a trade and simply signed somewhere else as a FA (along with his entire Decision TV special I, suppose).

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                  • #24
                    Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

                    Originally posted by owl View Post
                    Just what exactly is he worth in trade? Two firsts and a player?
                    I don't understand what you are talking about.
                    "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                    • #25
                      Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      No. There's a distinction between a guy who *might* be at the middle of the prime of his career and a guy who only has a few years left in the league. He and the Suns have run their course. Him leaving now isn't the same as CLE losing LeBron or DEN losing Melo.
                      Why? Who's qualified to determine when a player is allowed to leave a team or when his career has run it's course?

                      Nash has been on the Suns for 7 years, just as long as Melo and LeBron were on their respective teams.

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                      • #26
                        Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

                        Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                        Why? Who's qualified to determine when a player is allowed to leave a team or when his career has run it's course?

                        Nash has been on the Suns for 7 years, just as long as Melo and LeBron were on their respective teams.
                        Wow, your second statement is really not fair at all. Steve Nash is 36 years old, 10 years older than both Lebron or Carmelo. That's the only number that really matters. It has little to to do with how long any player has been with their respective team.

                        The Suns also won something like 15 less games last year than they did a few years ago. Their decline in wins has fluctuated a bit, but looking at the statistics, you can't argue that they haven't declined. They also have $81 million tied up into three mediocre players for the next several years.

                        I don't claim to be an authority on these things but that's my perspective. I don't really care either way about Lebron leaving (I just hate the way he did it) and Carmelo is barely a superstar that merits this sort of consideration, but again this is all my opinion and I think Nash is fine to seek greener pastures. I just think your suggestion that there are no evident metrics is not correct.

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                        • #27
                          Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

                          Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                          Why? Who's qualified to determine when a player is allowed to leave a team or when his career has run it's course?

                          Nash has been on the Suns for 7 years, just as long as Melo and LeBron were on their respective teams.
                          While I don't share the same sentiments as those who argue about LeBron leaving the Cavs (he's a FA back then that never demanded to be traded and has free will), Nash and LeBron/Melo situations are practically very different. Maybe you can compare Nash situation with the KG situation. Here are things you need to consider:

                          - Nash is what, 37 years old? He's nearing retirement. LeBron and Melo are 10 years younger I believe, so they have too much left in their tank.

                          - The Cavs before LeBron left are title contenders. Same is true with the Nuggets before the Melo trade. The Suns are not even in the playoffs this year. If Nash would leave, will the Suns lose a playoff seeding next year? Or will they lose contention to the title next year? Nope, because they are currently out of contention with their current lineup, even with Nash. While the Melo trade didn't affect the Nuggets much this year, the departure of LeBron quickly turned the #1 team of last season to #30 this season.

                          - Nash is now a complementary piece and not a main man (although a very good complementary piece). He cannot carry the Suns anymore. If they want to retain Nash, the Suns should first start to get a main man through trades to support Nash (although this is almost impossible because their only good asset is Nash, so at any rate they'll have to lose him to get a better return).

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                          • #28
                            Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

                            Originally posted by 15th parallel View Post
                            - The Cavs before LeBron left are title contenders. Same is true with the Nuggets before the Melo trade. The Suns are not even in the playoffs this year.
                            They're not in the playoffs because Nash isn't as good as Melo or LeBron. The Nuggets weren't contenders even with Melo and the only reason the Cavs were contenders was because LeBron singlehandedly made them one.

                            More than anything I'm curious about this attitude a lot of sports fans have where they think they're qualified to determine what is right or wrong in an athlete's contract negotiations and career. How can you honestly tell another man he's not allowed to further his career however he wants?

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                            • #29
                              Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

                              We are not trading Collison especially for some old hag.

                              Bird worked hard to get Collison and now he definitely hasn't disappointed the past month and in the playoffs.

                              We need him to be part of this team so no he's pretty much off limits. As are Hansbrough, George, Hibbert, and possibly Granger.
                              In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                              • #30
                                Re: According to TerezOwens, Steve Nash is demanding a trade behind closed doors

                                Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                                Why? Who's qualified to determine when a player is allowed to leave a team or when his career has run it's course?

                                Nash has been on the Suns for 7 years, just as long as Melo and LeBron were on their respective teams.
                                He's actually been with the Suns for a combine 9 years.
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