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Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

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  • #91
    Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

    Sleep on Joakim Noah all you want. He got out-muscled tonight by an NBA center, basically playing out of position.

    In the NBA. he's going to be a damn nice power forward for someone. The kid is a winner and a competitor.

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    • #92
      Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

      Originally posted by Kstat View Post
      Sleep on Joakim Noah all you want. He got out-muscled tonight by an NBA center, basically playing out of position.

      In the NBA. he's going to be a damn nice power forward for someone. The kid is a winner and a competitor.
      Noah is not even Channing Frye. At least Channing can hit the jumper.

      The problem with Noah is that he will be outmuscled by a lot of PF's as well. He is also not very athletic or quick. Good lord, compare him to JO.

      He is not a good shooter at all and will not be dunking on anyone. Nice doo, great passion...but he is soft and simply not that highly skilled. Just not a good combination at the next level.

      Horford, however, will be a good one b/c he has game. He can hit from range, on the move and has the physicality that it takes to do well in the NBA. He will be just fine.

      Oden is the next great big man coming out...

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      • #93
        Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

        The problem with Noah is not that he won't be effective at what he does, but that he'll have to deal with the expectations of a top 10 pick.

        As long as that team that picks him knows what they're getting, has an established nucleus and just needs a glue guy, he won't dissappoint. But if he gets picked by someone like Memphis or the Celtics, well, he just won't bring enough all-around game to the table to live up to the hype of a top pick.
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        • #94
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          Originally posted by bulldog View Post
          The problem with Noah is not that he won't be effective at what he does, but that he'll have to deal with the expectations of a top 10 pick.

          As long as that team that picks him knows what they're getting, has an established nucleus and just needs a glue guy, he won't dissappoint. But if he gets picked by someone like Memphis or the Celtics, well, he just won't bring enough all-around game to the table to live up to the hype of a top pick.
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          • #95
            Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

            Noah reminds me a lot of Boris Diaw, with less range but better defense.

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            • #96
              Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              Sleep on Joakim Noah all you want. He got out-muscled tonight by an NBA center, basically playing out of position.

              In the NBA. he's going to be a damn nice power forward for someone. The kid is a winner and a competitor.
              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
              Sleep on Joakim Noah all you want. He got out-muscled tonight by an NBA center, basically playing out of position.

              In the NBA. he's going to be a damn nice power forward for someone. The kid is a winner and a competitor.
              Noah is obviously not an NBA center. He can't muscle with the big guys.

              But as a power forward, I don't see him as a force either. Near the basket, he at least shoots his shot with a hop. Any shot away from the basket he shoots flat-footed, and with a slow release at that.

              He obviously has a great attitude and reportedly has a good work ethic. He's not a particularly good defender and in the NBA he will have to contend with bigger, stronger, quicker PFs.

              Without a significant amount of additional development, I don't see him much more than hustling bench player who does a great job hitting free throws. With the players available, I can say with certainty that I would not take him top 10, and maybe not even top 15.

              Strictly talking about the PF position, I see a lot more that I could work with from even a player like White out of IU than I do with Noah. Although shorter, White has quickness for a PF, very long arms, hops, good elevation on his jumper and variety of ways to get his shot off around the basket.

              What I see from a player like Noah right now is more consistency than a player like White, but with White's athleticism and raw skills, I see much more upside to White than Noah. And there are probably another 5-6 players around the country similar to White that a more knowledgeable collegiate fan than myself could name to take over Noah.

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              • #97
                Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

                Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                Noah is obviously not an NBA center. He can't muscle with the big guys.

                But as a power forward, I don't see him as a force either. Near the basket, he at least shoots his shot with a hop. Any shot away from the basket he shoots flat-footed, and with a slow release at that.

                He obviously has a great attitude and reportedly has a good work ethic. He's not a particularly good defender and in the NBA he will have to contend with bigger, stronger, quicker PFs.

                Without a significant amount of additional development, I don't see him much more than hustling bench player who does a great job hitting free throws. With the players available, I can say with certainty that I would not take him top 10, and maybe not even top 15.

                Strictly talking about the PF position, I see a lot more that I could work with from even a player like White out of IU than I do with Noah. Although shorter, White has quickness for a PF, very long arms, hops, good elevation on his jumper and variety of ways to get his shot off around the basket.

                What I see from a player like Noah right now is more consistency than a player like White, but with White's athleticism and raw skills, I see much more upside to White than Noah. And there are probably another 5-6 players around the country similar to White that a more knowledgeable collegiate fan than myself could name to take over Noah.
                Exactly.

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                • #98
                  Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

                  Originally posted by Sh4d3 View Post
                  I told you all Noah was extremely overrated, and Oden was going to be a monster. I feel bad for whatever team gets suckered into drafting Noah Top 5.

                  And I would trade ANYTHING and EVERYTHING possible for Oden.
                  Noah reminds me of Sean May, a guy who was big enough in college to make it work but in the NBA will struggle as a tweener.


                  Horford looks like a solid 3rd option guy, a more athletic Dale perhaps. Oden also has the movements of a Dale Davis...but with Tim Duncan offense to go with it. Both are great picks.

                  Conley is tough to read. He does appear well undersized but he also has a ton of poise and seems like a traditional NBA PG. No shot will kill him and in some ways his offense makes me think of the Tinsley issues. Of course Tins (and Parker as mentioned) can get near the rim all the time so it might not matter.

                  Put Conley with a shooter and a big and he should look pretty strong in the NBA. If he comes out this year it hurts the Pacers because they could really use him much more than Law. I'd take Conley over Noah for sure.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

                    Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                    If he comes out this year it hurts the Pacers because they could really use him much more than Law. I'd take Conley over Noah for sure.
                    Although I detest "tanking", I'm now hoping that the Pacers lose enough to have a pick in this year's draft.

                    There are just too many players that could be taken in the 8-10 spots for the Pacers not to have involvement.

                    Conley - the PG we could use.
                    Brewer - an absolute octopus on perimeter defense, along with a lot of other great talents as well.
                    Law - a decent scorer, although he's no Conley at PG.

                    A role player that I wouldn't mind seeing as a 10th-12th man would be Humphrey. I suppose you could call him a much shorter version of Korver. It wouldn't surprise me if Humphrey with fresh legs couldn't shoot it as accurately from 30 feet as anyone on our current roster could from 22-25 feet. I have no idea where he will slot, or even whether he is expected to be drafted.

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                      After individual workouts, Brewer will be upper lottery.

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                        I wonder if people doubt Greg Oden enough now to trade him to the P's for JO?
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                          To clarify, I'm afraid Larry would take Noah, not Richard. The last thing we need is another PF who needs an enforcer to be effective.
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                          • Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

                            Noah's stock will drop in workouts when he has to do shooting drills.

                            His jumper is about like Jeff Foster's. Actually a lot of his game is like Jeff's, but Noah is a way better passer and less physical.
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                            • Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

                              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                              Sleep on Joakim Noah all you want. He got out-muscled tonight by an NBA center, basically playing out of position.
                              Then explain how he got out-muscled by Chris Kramer two weeks ago?
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                              • Re: Oden and Conley Both Enterting the Draft

                                Originally posted by Sh4d3 View Post

                                In 3-4 years, Noah may not even be in the league.

                                But he will be a very successful hairdresser or own a flower shop.

                                I know how politically incorrect that may be, but seriously, his reaction to a couple of the calls against him reminded me of that clip (from last year) of Danica Patrick stomping her feet on the race track and pouting after she was out of a race.

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