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Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

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  • #76
    Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

    I think it is reasonable when guarding Mello to force him to shoot some threes, that to this point in this season has been his biggest weakness. He is almost impossible to stop from almost anywhere and his one weakness is that he struggles to hit threes.


    So if I were puting together a defensive gameplan against mello I would say when he's outsde the three point line dont be afraid to give him a little room to shoot the three.

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    • #77
      Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

      Originally posted by BillS View Post
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      • #78
        Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
        This season is about FINDING OUT, it's not about already knowing. That way next year can be about knowing.
        This but the way the first half was coached we might have to repeat this process next yr.

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        • #79
          Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

          Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post

          Sorry, but if a house full of firefighters all smell smoke, I'm running for a bucket of water.
          I'm sure you watch a lot of tape, but I still don't think you or I know that much about basketball. It's a complex game, and there should be more room for dissent. My speaking out about O'brien's limited role in our failure does not make me a blind follower, and yet it seems to me that the official position of the board has become to assign any and all failures squarely on his shoulders.

          If all the firefighters see a fire, but I point out that there's a bunch of other fires behind them, then I am not the one who's blind.

          Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
          This season is about FINDING OUT, it's not about already knowing. That way next year can be about knowing.
          This is a great point, and one I strongly agree with. And Jim's record on preparing us for the future, on developing the players who will win us games next year, is mixed to positive and certainly much more nuanced than the "ARGGGGGHHHHH JIM O'BRIEN SUCKS!!!" attitude that currently pervades the board.
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          • #80
            Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

            Originally posted by bulldog View Post
            I'm sure you watch a lot of tape, but I still don't think you or I know that much about basketball. It's a complex game, and there should be more room for dissent. My speaking out about O'brien's limited role in our failure does not make me a blind follower, and yet it seems to me that the official position of the board has become to assign any and all failures squarely on his shoulders.

            If all the firefighters see a fire, but I point out that there's a bunch of other fires behind them, then I am not the one who's blind.


            This is a great point, and one I strongly agree with. And Jim's record on preparing us for the future, on developing the players who will win us games next year, is mixed to positive and certainly much more nuanced than the "ARGGGGGHHHHH JIM O'BRIEN SUCKS!!!" attitude that currently pervades the board.
            If your not with them in hating every fiber of his being you are designated Obriens biggest fan, just kinda how it goes around here. This refers only to a small collection of posters , but they will find you. If your willing to point out that anything isn't his fault your not behaving like one of the sheep here.
            Last edited by spazzxb; 01-26-2011, 01:48 AM.

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            • #81
              Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

              Originally posted by bulldog View Post
              I'm sure you watch a lot of tape, but I still don't think you or I know that much about basketball. It's a complex game, and there should be more room for dissent. My speaking out about O'brien's limited role in our failure does not make me a blind follower, and yet it seems to me that the official position of the board has become to assign any and all failures squarely on his shoulders.

              If all the firefighters see a fire, but I point out that there's a bunch of other fires behind them, then I am not the one who's blind.


              This is a great point, and one I strongly agree with. And Jim's record on preparing us for the future, on developing the players who will win us games next year, is mixed to positive and certainly much more nuanced than the "ARGGGGGHHHHH JIM O'BRIEN SUCKS!!!" attitude that currently pervades the board.
              In all fairness to board members though, this isn't year two or even year three. This is year four with the exact same complaints, problems, issues that have haunted our team since he came aboard.

              Frankly logically talking about him anymore serves no purpose. Actually talking about him period serves no purpose as no matter what we do, say or believe will make no difference in the long run.

              But when you are just going on our members here, I think a lot of it is just simply frustration with the same issue every year.

              Yes, there are a few who just want to run around and yell Jim sucks at the top of their lungs and they have wanted to do that since they started here but you have a lot and I mean a lot of long term posters who are not generally part of any lynch mob that are just fed up with this.

              Sit down and talk to any of them and to a man or woman I bet they would be willing to admit several things. 1. We are not an overly talented group of players. 2. A coaching change will most likely not bring a significant win/loss record without also some player changes. 3. When Jim O'Brien explains the logic in his thinking it makes sense. 4. He has a brilliant analytical mind when it comes to numbers and probably knows more about basketball than over half the coaches in the NBA. 5. He probably communicates to his players better than he does to the public or the press.

              It's unfair to just lump each and every poster into some catagory, which goes for people who support his coaching as well.


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              • #82
                Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

                Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                If your not with them in hating every fiber of his being you are designated Obriens biggest fan, just kinda how it goes around here. This refers only to a small collection of posters , but they will find you. If your willing to point out that anything isn't his fault your not behaving like one of the sheep here.
                That goes the other way as well. If someone does bring up one of his flaws, the O'Brien brigade (mainly just you) consider it nothing but "blind hatred". That is just as extreme but on the other side.

                I understand your problem with the posters who rag on O'Brien for everything (I find it annoying myself). Until you stop with your "blind loyalty" (and use of the word hater, which is just an infantile, ridiculous word...no one here hates O'Brien personally and for no reason, some are just more vocal) you don't really have room to talk.

                Just ignore the ones who complain about O'Brien ad nauseum. That way you can differentiate the ones that annoy you and the ones who have a valid point when it comes to JOB's shortcomings...because not everyone is a "hater".

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                • #83
                  Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

                  Originally posted by Merz View Post
                  That goes the other way as well. If someone does bring up one of his flaws, the O'Brien brigade (mainly just you) consider it nothing but "blind hatred". That is just as extreme but on the other side.

                  I understand your problem with the posters who rag on O'Brien for everything (I find it annoying myself). Until you stop with your "blind loyalty" (and use of the word hater, which is just an infantile, ridiculous word...no one here hates O'Brien personally and for no reason, some are just more vocal) you don't really have room to talk.

                  Just ignore the ones who complain about O'Brien ad nauseum. That way you can differentiate the ones that annoy you and the ones who have a valid point when it comes to JOB's shortcomings...because not everyone is a "hater".
                  I know the difference, the same people argue with me all the time. The posters that annoy me won't respond if asked what they actually want, or personally attack me for no reason except to try and discredit me as a poster . They try to blow you off as being a dreaded Obrien supporter while giving no respect to any of the content of your post. If you have a position and defend it I treat you with respect. I may say something more forcefully than I intend but I always respect others opinions even if I disagree. If you just lob random insults I may mess with you a bit. I also get annoyed when people make the same stupid jokes every game thread(make up unrealistic thing and say JOB is going to do it). I also feel it would be nice if people would just shut up about Posey until something actually happens for them to complain about in the game threads. The Posey attacks start before the games anymore. I honestly don't even remember you and don't know if I have ever had a debate with you or what your point of view is on anything, therefore I am unsure why you are coming at me with the inaccurate personal attack. Thanks for demonstrating how immature some people around her can be( its exactly what I intended to warn this guy about).

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                  • #84
                    Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

                    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                    Carmelo has a career scoring average of 24.7 ppg. It's downright dumb to think the best way to "stop" him is to let him shoot. That's just dumb.
                    I am going broaden your point. During Jordan's first 6 or 7 years in the NBA they way you guardd him was let him shoot threes. give him some room, play him for the drive and Michael averaged a lot more than 24 points per game.

                    A lot of really good players you guard like that. Wade has been one, even Lebron, play them for the drive if they are hiting the three you are in trouble anyway.

                    That is very common over the years.

                    what drives me nuts is any strategy that Jim O'Brien comes up with no matter how much merit it has is ridiculed in this forum as if it is the dumbest thing ever. Most teams tend to defense mello the same way. We can arguea about to what degree or whether the players executed the gameplan correctly
                    Last edited by Unclebuck; 01-26-2011, 08:31 AM.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      what drives me nuts is any strategy that Jim O'Brien comes up with no matter how much merit it has is ridiculed in this forum as if it is the dumbest thing ever. Most teams tend to defense mello the same way. We can arguea about to what degree or whether the players executed the gameplan correctly


                      I don't know if you got to read the article but JOB has not only been ridiculed by some people here in PD but is been ridiculed by the player he used this strategy againts(is in the thread title) people on national tv are also making fun of him, but is OK, keep thinking that the JOB hate(as you call it) is only here in PD.
                      Last edited by vnzla81; 01-26-2011, 09:42 AM.
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                      • #86
                        Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                        I don't know if you got to read the article but JOB has not only been ridiculed by some people here in PD but is been ridiculed by the player he used this strategy againts(is in the thread title) people on national tv are also making fun of him, but is OK, keep thinking that the JOB hate(as you call it) is only here in PD.
                        Yes I read the article. I took it to mean that melo was surprised that the defensvie strategy against him didn't change after mello got hot - and maybe it should have or maybe the players didn't execute the change.

                        Plus I think you misread my post in response top Since 86 - I was expanding the point to suggest that yes there have been over the years players who averages more than 24 points per game where you do 'give them threes". It isn't an unreasonable strategy against great offensive players of which Mello is one

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                        • #87
                          Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

                          Originally posted by Merz View Post
                          If someone does bring up one of his flaws, the O'Brien brigade (mainly just you)
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                          • #88
                            Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            what drives me nuts is any strategy that Jim O'Brien comes up with no matter how much merit it has is ridiculed in this forum as if it is the dumbest thing ever. Most teams tend to defense mello the same way. We can arguea about to what degree or whether the players executed the gameplan correctly
                            The issue in this case - which I agree with - is that if your game plan to slow a player down is not working, you at least need to have something else in your pocket to try. If that fails as well, fine, but you don't stick with a failing plan just because it looked like the best plan at the time.

                            That's the "in-game" adjustment part. If a guy who is normally 24% from 3 starts hitting more than that, there's a reason. Even if it is simply because he's at the high end of his personal bell curve, you respect that and do something about it.

                            I think JOB does not do well if an in-game situation does not fit into one of his pre-game plans, so he just lets it go and hopes the rest of the game measures up. That may be what you do when you've tried tweaking things and nothing works, but it doesn't help when you only have Plan A, Plan A, and Plan A to choose from.

                            I think in this case you are right about folks who seem to be criticizing the overall strategy but wrong if you also think it should not have been adjusted when it wasn't working.
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                            • #89
                              Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              Yes I read the article. I took it to mean that melo was surprised that the defensvie strategy against him didn't change after mello got hot - and maybe it should have or maybe the players didn't execute the change.

                              Plus I think you misread my post in response top Since 86 - I was expanding the point to suggest that yes there have been over the years players who averages more than 24 points per game where you do 'give them threes". It isn't an unreasonable strategy against great offensive players of which Mello is one
                              I understand your point about the strategy used against Melo, the point is that have Jim ever thought that maybe Melo is under 30% in three pointers because somebody was in his face and no leaving him open? maybe? ok the strategy didn't work so why no try to adjust and do something else instead of forcing the issue? again this is not the first time this happens, I've seen this happening for about four years already.

                              If there is a worse coach in making adjustments during the game I want to know who that is because Jim is one of the worse if no the worse.
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                              • #90
                                Re: Melo got a chuckle out of the JOB strategy last night

                                Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                                I know the difference, the same people argue with me all the time. The posters that annoy me won't respond if asked what they actually want, or personally attack me for no reason except to try and discredit me as a poster . They try to blow you off as being a dreaded Obrien supporter while giving no respect to any of the content of your post. If you have a position and defend it I treat you with respect. I may say something more forcefully than I intend but I always respect others opinions even if I disagree. If you just lob random insults I may mess with you a bit. I also get annoyed when people make the same stupid jokes every game thread(make up unrealistic thing and say JOB is going to do it). I also feel it would be nice if people would just shut up about Posey until something actually happens for them to complain about in the game threads. The Posey attacks start before the games anymore. I honestly don't even remember you and don't know if I have ever had a debate with you or what your point of view is on anything, therefore I am unsure why you are coming at me with the inaccurate personal attack. Thanks for demonstrating how immature some people around her can be( its exactly what I intended to warn this guy about).
                                Merz did not personally attack you. He criticized some of your behavior. There's a big gap between the two.

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