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  • #61
    Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

    Originally posted by Hoop View Post
    My dad would always tell me to want in one hand, crap in the other one and see which one gets full first.

    Golden State could also take that advice.
    So you poop in your hand? Sounds like some unsanitary, fatherly advice to me.

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    • #62
      Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

      Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
      So you poop in your hand? Sounds like some unsanitary, fatherly advice to me.
      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      • #63
        Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

        Originally posted by bballpacen View Post
        For DJones...
        If the Pacers could be involved as a 3rd Team and the Pacers could get Wesley Johnson for Inferno...sure...I'd do that. I doubt that the Warriors or TWolves would do that....
        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        • #64
          Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

          Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
          I would tempted to do Monta for Granger if we could bring in a strong defender at 3, like a Shawn Marion. Monta would play point.
          Wow. I swear this is the first post for a Granger trade that didn't have the words "Have Paul play the 3...".


          Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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          • #65
            Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

            Originally posted by Speed View Post
            To me, this is the big thing about any trade involving DG. You have to replace what he can do defensively. Paul is a few years away from handling those assignments over the course of a series. I completely agree with you here!!
            He's a few years away from being strong enough to keep some of the bigger SFs from posting up, but there's only a few of those in the league. Once you get past those players the rest aren't much of a threat. I'd say it's arguably the easiest position to defend. I challenge anyone to find me 5 players Paul can't guard if he had to switch to SF.

            The reason I'm bringing this up is because people keep saying Paul is too weak to defend Sfs like it's just a known fact. He got posted up one time guarding Joe Johnson, and then all of a sudden PD thinks he can't guard anyone in the post? I don't believe that at all. With more experience he could easily guard 90% of the SFs right now. In a couple years there won't be another player in the league you'd rather guard the LeBrons and Durants of the world... yeah IMO he's that good. I would hope if a deal came along Bird liked he wouldn't hesitate to switch him.

            I don't know if anyone caught Barkley's comment during the All Star Game, but apparently he agrees with me that strength is overrated in the NBA. It's nice to have it, but you don't need it.

            Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post

            If you put him in our lineup as the starting PG
            Really good post. I doubt you get many thanks for it, but I agree we would be a dangerous team. If Monta bought in that team could challenge for a championship IMO.

            But Monta being a selfish malcontent is another known fact around here...

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            There is Wilson Chandler for the taking if we offer him enough money, Marion and Gerald Wallace are on the trading block, Ariza, Beasley is been shopped for a pick.
            Monta, Paul, and Chandler would be sweeet on the break.

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            • #66
              Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

              Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
              We get Ellis.
              Warriors get Kaman, Price and a second pick.
              Hornets get our future 1st pick.
              Numbers do work!

              Biedrins will be Amnestied this summer and Kwame Brown is gone at the end of the season. They rolled the dice on Biedrins cause they didn't have a choice and he had been working really hard in the off season. Obviously it didn't help him.

              They have already shown interest in Kaman and I see no reason for them not to try and get him. Especially if they can get an extension or commitment by Kaman.

              I don't think this is enough give for Ellis, but it could be sweetened easily.
              Didn't they use their amnesty slot on Bell? It was one of the moves that had people shaking thier heads.

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              • #67
                Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

                Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                I challenge anyone to find me 5 players Paul can't guard if he had to switch to SF.
                I Challenge you!
                These players are just for starters...

                Derrick Stafford
                Jason Phillips
                Dick Bavetta
                Joe Crawford
                Violet Palmer
                Dan Crawford
                Bill Kennedy
                Ken Mauer
                Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                • #68
                  Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

                  Originally posted by SycamoreKen View Post
                  Didn't they use their amnesty slot on Bell? It was one of the moves that had people shaking thier heads.
                  Yeah, they amnestied his $4M/1 year contract

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                  • #69
                    Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

                    Originally posted by cdash View Post
                    Edit: I'm always arguing the case against Monta, but I wouldn't mind acquiring him at the right price.
                    Same here. For all the grief I give Venezuela, I've got no problem with Monta. I'd love to see what he'd do while being coached by Vogel.

                    But I'm not seeing GS as a good trading partner here. People are talking about trading Collison for him? That makes NO sense for GS... they're trying to get bigger, remember?
                    This space for rent.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

                      Originally posted by RLeWorm View Post
                      trade DC or Granger for Ellis. Ellis poops on DC and Granger. Not even a debate
                      Yeah. I mean, it's incredible here. People actually think that the Warriors would let Ellis go for Kaman and A.J. Price. It's beyond RETARDED here.

                      The problem with the Pacers, the reason the Pacers will NEVER get far, is that they just don't have a goto player. An UNGUARDABLE player -- someone who can get you two (or more) any time he wants (especially during crunch time) on get to the foul line. Last time I looked, the Pacers don't have anyone remotely resembling this. And, Granger's attempt at this against the Bulls last year was COMICAL.

                      Once again: Ellis is UNGUARDABLE. This ain't the BRUTISH '90's any longer -- quick, athletic guards, with shooting touches, are the STARS in the present NBA. (Not good acting charge takers.) Unless you have James or Wade or Bryant or Durant on your team -- and the Pacers are VERY FAR from this point -- Ellis is not playing 2nd option. The idea that he'd be BENEATH Hibbert and Granger in terms of a go to role is DELUSIONAL. Then again, that's what repeatedly makes the rounds here.

                      Kaman and ****in' A.J. Price for Ellis. Now, that's just flat out embarrassing --- especially given that those offering this actually believe it to be a fair trade.
                      Last edited by v_d_g; 02-27-2012, 11:15 PM.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

                        Originally posted by v_d_g View Post
                        Once again: Ellis is UNGUARDABLE.
                        You did see the Pacers/Warriors game, right?
                        This space for rent.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

                          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                          You did see the Pacers/Warriors game, right?
                          You guys act like Monta sucked that game. He was killing Paul... then he posted up and scored on Hill at will. No one could stop him that game.

                          Danny played well too, but cmon man...

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                          • #73
                            Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

                            Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                            Same here. For all the grief I give Venezuela, I've got no problem with Monta. I'd love to see what he'd do while being coached by Vogel.

                            But I'm not seeing GS as a good trading partner here. People are talking about trading Collison for him? That makes NO sense for GS... they're trying to get bigger, remember?
                            Yeah. Honestly the only trade that makes sense for both teams on paper is Granger for Monta straight up, and I don't think Bird would do that and I personally wouldn't want him to do that. The Pacers wouldn't even entertain dealing Hibbert or George unless it netted them someone like Dwight Howard, and he were willing to sign an extension here. Seeing as how that isn't going to happen, those two are off the board for all intents and purposes.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

                              Originally posted by CJ Jones View Post
                              You guys act like Monta sucked that game. He was killing Paul... then he posted up and scored on Hill at will. No one could stop him that game.

                              Danny played well too, but cmon man...
                              Mostly that's just me being a pain. Definitely a great game for Monta (although he got outscored by Granger) but I don't think you should call a guy "UNGUARDABLE" when he got stripped on the last possession.

                              Still, I won't deny that Monta has the ability to make crazy ridiculous shots.

                              The funny thing was that until I looked at the box score, I'd have sworn that Monta outscored Danny. One of the reasons Danny's a hard guy to judge is that he'll have completely quiet nights where you look up and he's scored 20. With Monta, you definitely know it every time he makes a shot. That whole game, I thought "Man, Monta is KILLING us" but I doubt the GS fans were saying the same about Granger, even though Granger scored more points.
                              This space for rent.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Report: Warriors demanding star for Ellis

                                Originally posted by cdash View Post
                                I actually worded that wrong, my bad. I think he can play point guard in spells. I just think he is best utilized at shooting guard.

                                DC can't necessarily do things that Monta can't do. It's just that I think he is less of a ball hog, for lack of a better description. DC does look for his shot first, but so does Monta...and Monta looks for his shot much, much more often than DC. He takes more bad shots, and makes more questionable decisions with the ball. Now, part of that is because he is a more gifted offensive player and has proven in the past that he has the ability to make some of those crazy shots. But when they aren't falling...it's trouble.

                                I don't know of anyone on ESPN who thinks that either Rose or Westbrook should be playing SG instead of PG though. I'd be very interested to see some links or something to support that comment.

                                Edit: I'm always arguing the case against Monta, but I wouldn't mind acquiring him at the right price. I just don't want to play him at the point. I honestly hope he does get traded to a a solid playoff team and alters his game to become more efficient and less of a volume scorer. I'm just not willing to take the gamble of trading Granger for him, and that's surely what it would take to get him here. Granger, Hibbert, or George.
                                Skip Bayless hates Westbrook and Rose at the point, he feels like they score too much for his liking.


                                Regarding Monta as the point guard and been to much of a ball hog, I would love for you to watch more GS games if you can, he is passing and feeding the other players, if he was such a ball hog, Curry and Lee wouldn't average as much as they average right now, I actually think they lost few games because Mark made Monta the passer instead of the finisher, he gave the ball to Lee at one time and Lee ended up turning the ball over, he also gave the ball to Curry at the end of a game and the same thing happened, I could tell you that it looks like Mark finally figured out that Monta is a closer and is starting to let him close games again reason why they won the Phoenix game by Monta making a last second shot.
                                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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