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Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

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    Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

    Based off of what we know about the Hornets offer ( from Wells ), if the Pacers send out BRush + Solo, their combined 2010-2011 Salary is roughly $3.57 mil.....this means that they can take in 2 Players with a combined 2010-2011 Salary range ( roughly ) between $3 mil to $4.25 mil ( no more no less ).

    The only 2 "unnamed" Hornets Player combination that would fit within the Salary range are the following 2-Player combination:

    1 ) Aaron Gray + Jason Smith = $3.21 mil in combined 2010-2011 Salary
    2 ) Aaron Gray + David Anderson = $3.53 mil in combined 2010-2011 Salary
    3 ) DJ Mbenga + Jason Smith = $3.04 mil in combined 2010-2011 Salary
    4 ) DJ Mbenga + David Anderson = $3.35 mil in combined 2010-2011 Salary

    Although Quincy Pondexter and Carl Landry have the only Salaries that fit...I doubt that the Hornets would include either of them since they are highly valued prospects. As for anyone else on the roster ( like Jarrett Jack ), I could be wrong...but everyone else on the Hornets roster wouldn't fit "salary-wise".

    So if the Hornets didn't back out, we would have been looking at the following scenario:

    BRush+Solo+McBob+1st round Pick

    for

    OJ Mayo + 2 Serviceable Hornets Big Men + a ( likely ) 1st or ( possibly...but unlikely ) 2nd round Draft pick.

    Not bad....if you ask me. I don't know about you...but I hope that the next time we play the Hornets...we crush them.

    NOTE - or what pwee31 said in 2 sentences on the 1st page of this thread .
    Last edited by CableKC; 02-25-2011, 12:35 PM.
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    • #92
      Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
      Who did you hear, and what did they say? It sounds like speculation.
      The Grady and Big Joe Show, Michael Grady was the one who stated that.

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      • #93
        Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

        Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
        The Grady and Big Joe Show, Michael Grady was the one who stated that.
        Excuse me while i go and jump off a bridge.

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        • #94
          Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

          It's complete speculation on their part guys..

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          • #95
            Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

            Are you kidding me? Do you all really think that Bird would of given up Josh at this point along with our first just for OJ Mayo? He has spent too many years ridding this team of bad eggs just to now add another one who was just involved in two seperate incidents which made him look immature and not a very good team guy/locker room guy to have. We wouldnt of done that deal if that was it. N.O. just got Landry who is more than capable of starting in this league which he showed 2 yrs ago and David West is no sure thing to come back with them next year so to get a nice young talented scoring 2 to pair with Paul, Ariza, and Landry, that makes a decent team.

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            • #96
              Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              Based off of what we know about the Hornets offer ( from Wells ), if the Pacers send out BRush + Solo, their combined 2010-2011 Salary is roughly $3.57 mil.....this means that they can take in 2 Players with a combined 2010-2011 Salary range ( roughly ) between $3 mil to $4.25 mil ( no more no less ).

              The only 2 "unnamed" Hornets Player combination that would fit within the Salary range are the following 2-Player combination:

              1 ) Aaron Gray + Jason Smith = $3.21 mil in combined 2010-2011 Salary
              2 ) Aaron Gray + David Anderson = $3.53 mil in combined 2010-2011 Salary
              3 ) DJ Mbenga + Jason Smith = $3.04 mil in combined 2010-2011 Salary
              4 ) DJ Mbenga + David Anderson = $3.35 mil in combined 2010-2011 Salary

              Although Quincy Pondexter and Carl Landry have the only Salaries that fit...I doubt that the Hornets would include either of them since they are highly valued prospects. As for anyone else on the roster ( like Jarrett Jack ), I could be wrong...but everyone else on the Hornets roster wouldn't fit "salary-wise".

              So if the Hornets didn't back out, we would have been looking at the following scenario:

              BRush+Solo+McBob+1st round Pick

              for

              OJ Mayo + 2 Serviceable Hornets Big Men + a ( likely ) 1st or ( possibly...but unlikely ) 2nd round Draft pick.

              Not bad....if you ask me. I don't know about you...but I hope that the next time we play the Hornets...we crush them.

              NOTE - or what pwee31 said in 2 sentences on the 1st page of this thread .
              I don't see Bird trading BRush for anybody but Landry. All the ones you mentioned just doesn't equate, talent-wise.

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              • #97
                Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

                We would have got the 2 servicible bigs from Hornets to fill the 10 minutes max left backing up Hansbrough and a few minutes for Granger at pf each night. Mbenga a good defender would have prob been a situational defender . Plus a 1st and a 2nd rounder.

                There is no way the Hornets in a playoff run deal David West at this time.

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                • #98
                  Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  I know the pacers will likely have to give up more, but I still don't understand why the trade cannot be revisited this summer. if the Grizzlies really wanted Josh, then a sign and trade can be worked out and iof the Griz want an expiring contract for next year we can include Posey
                  The assumption is that the Grizzlies wanted to add some Frontcourt depth to their current Playoff run since Darrell Arthur, ZBo and Gasol are the only 3 viable Frontcourt Players. If that is the case, they weren't as much interested SPECIFICALLY in McBob....but interested in getting another serviceable PF to add to their rotation.

                  After this season...it's likely that ZBo will be gone...so the Grizzlies maybe interested in moving Mayo...but not as interested in McBob the Player. They needed McBob for this year's Playoff run....by the start of the 2011-2012 Offseason...they may have different plans.
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                  • #99
                    Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

                    Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
                    This whole deal would not of netted us OJ Mayo, it would of gotten us David West. We were to trade our 1st rd pick with Jmac to Memphis for OJ than turn around and flip him, Rush, and Solo and a pick to N.O. for David West.
                    I'll listen to the show once it's available online. But I'm sure that it was a what if kind of statement rather than an absolute. Otherwise, we would have read it from another source by now. Regardless, how can you net West from a trade of Rush and SJones, and why would NO be giving up a first to us in the same trade?

                    Jeez, we could have also attempted to throw in all-nighters with each of the Pacemates and NO would never have made that trade. It would have been the Collison trade x 10.

                    No effing way. So here I'm calling that BS. Grady pulled this one from the southern end of his torso.

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                    • Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

                      Originally posted by diamonddave00 View Post
                      We would have got the 2 servicible bigs from Hornets to fill the 10 minutes max left backing up Hansbrough and a few minutes for Granger at pf each night. Mbenga a good defender would have prob been a situational defender . Plus a 1st and a 2nd rounder.

                      There is no way the Hornets in a playoff run deal David West at this time.
                      Why? They obviously almost did. The are 3rd to last in scoring in the NBA. West is a free agent after the year, why wouldnt they try to get some value for him? OJ becomes their starting 2, a position they definitely needed an upgrade, plus he's a scorer. Landry would of slid into the starting 4 spot, who averaged 18 and 6.5 after the trade that sent him to Sactown where he became the starter. Thats a point and a rebound less than West is averaging right now. Makes sense but who cares anymore, nothing happened. Just thought I would share what I heard.

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                      • Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

                        One thought occurred to me on the new CBA and all the benefits that Pacers may get. I don't think the big money/big market teams are going to allowed themselves to be screwed in this deal. The talk of a hard cap where teams will just have to jettison players to get under I think has NO chance of happening. I can't see the big spending teams ever allowing this to happen.

                        I mostly think the whole, the small market team will benefit great thing is being over played in the CBA speculations by the media.

                        Not being pessimistic, just saying the Pacers may benefit from cap space, but it may not be as much as is being speculated.

                        Last thing, how much will they be under the real salary cap, not the luxury tax? Do we know? Thats the main number to consider now I think since the expirings are now a moot point.

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                        • Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

                          Originally posted by Gold View Post
                          They wanted another PF, not a guard.
                          So you're telling me that Memphis didn't think they could flip two 1st round draft picks that were given to them into a solid PF?

                          Two 1st rounders can get a lot done in this league.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

                            Originally posted by MyFavMartin View Post
                            I don't see Bird trading BRush for anybody but Landry. All the ones you mentioned just doesn't equate, talent-wise.
                            I don't....if there was to be some 3 way trade involving BRush / Landry / Thornton....why would it be handled in this fashion at the last second?

                            Why not do it as a 3 Team trade when the Kings and Hornets made the deal 2 days ago?

                            To me, its reasonable to assume the following as to how it panned out:

                            - Bird is convinced that we can live with Hansbrough handling an increased # of minutes for the rest of the season.
                            - We send out McBob+1st for OJ...we therefore need some Frontcourt Depth to make up for the loss of McBob.
                            - The Hornets having an apparent need for a solid Perimeter Defender ( something that Marcus Thornton wasn't good at doing ) coming off the bench that can hit the 3pt shot and a minor need to thin out the Frontcourt ( now that they have Landry ) may be interested in some deal involving BRush.
                            - With the previous relationship involving the Murphy/DC/Ariza trade....Bird calls up the Hornets to work out something.
                            - Since the Pacers would have sent out their 1st round pick for OJ....Bird asks for a draft pick ( I don't know if it's a 1st or 2nd round pick ) to come back since BRush has more value then the likely combination of Frontcourt Players coming back.
                            - Bird calls Stern and gets put on hold.
                            - While Bird is listening to "Elevator music" on hold.....sometime after 3:01pm, the Hornets get cold feet and screw us out of a solid deal.

                            I know that there is some huge assumptions made here.....but if the deal was involving Landry.....Bird would have been working the phones way before this OJ deal came up.
                            Last edited by CableKC; 02-25-2011, 01:02 PM.
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                            • Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

                              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                              But the pacers were calling the league for reason to get the trade approved. So the Hornets had to be in at that point. or maybe the reason the call was late is because the Hornets backed out at the last minute, but then why was Bird calling? Unless he was calling to get the league to report a trade that didn't include the hornets.

                              None of it makes much sense to me.
                              Something just doesn't add up here....hence the thread that was created that this was a "hoax".
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                              • Re: Kravitz Take on Mayo Trade Collapse: NO backs out when we're on hold with the league /// Wells Article with Trade Details

                                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                                I don't....if there was to be some 3 way trade involving BRush / Landry / Thornton....why would it be handled in this fashion at the last second?

                                Why not do it as a 3 Team trade when the Kings and Hornets made the deal 2 days ago?

                                To me, its reasonable to assume the following as to how it panned out:

                                - Bird is convinced that we can live with Hansbrough handling an increased # of minutes for the rest of the season.
                                - We send out McBob+1st for OJ...we therefore need some Frontcourt Depth to make up for the loss of McBob.
                                - The Hornets having an apparent need for a solid Perimeter Defender ( something that Marcus Thornton wasn't good at doing ) coming off the bench that can hit the 3pt shot and a minor need to thin out the Frontcourt ( now that they have Landry ) may be interested in some deal involving BRush.
                                - With the previous relationship involving the Murphy/DC/Ariza trade....Bird calls up the Hornets to work out something.
                                - Since the Pacers would have sent out their 1st round pick for OJ....Bird asks for a draft pick ( I don't know if it's a 1st or 2nd round pick ) to come back since BRush has more value then the likely combination of Frontcourt Players coming back.
                                - Bird calls Stern and gets put on hold.
                                - While Bird is listening to "Elevator music" on hold.....sometime after 3:01pm, the Hornets get cold feet and screw us out of a solid deal.

                                I know that there is some huge assumptions made here.....but if the deal was involving Landry.....Bird would have been working the phones way before this OJ deal came up.
                                Agree to disagree. Landry is a FA this summer and NO has a strong possibility of losing him for nothing and converting him into a SG that would pair nicely with CP3 and is on a rookie contract is something I'm all over if I'm NO.

                                And I'm not sure that the draft pick from NO would be all that good to warrant giving up BRush for Mbenga or other non-Landry filler.

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