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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

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  • #76
    Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

    Originally posted by Sookie View Post
    You can't throw a point guard out there who just desperately wants to run an offense with guys who are pretty much incapable of running an offense. (Young does nothing on offense, Tyler doesn't have a clue what he's doing on offense, Green is not a "score within the flow of the offense" kind of guy. Ian's probably the only one you can do anything with.)
    And Ian is likely not to catch the ball.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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    • #77
      Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

      Originally posted by Jon Theodore View Post
      Lance Stephenson may be the most entertaining Pacer since Ron Artest. His circus shots during games are a coaches worst nightmare, but as a fan I have mixed emotions. The dunk miss was terrible, his rucker park half spin reverse layup attempt was actually very creative and it was unfortunate the finish was just not there. Regardless, Lance is entertaining.
      Lance is one hot streak away from taking over the game and grabbing the limelight from the entire crowd.

      Vogel may be working hard not to "free Lance" due to all the dynamics that would arise from such outbursts. Great fun? Yes. Complicated. I would think.
      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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      • #78
        Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

        Trust me I want to see Granger along side of George just as much as anyone else. This team is showing they can compete and be a good team without him, if we are going to have a money problem in the future with signing George and some of the others because of the cap then why not get younger in the process. I fear we are going to lose lance right at the time he finally REALLY breaks out. He will never be the player granger is but we are going to have a HUGE gaping hole at PF here very soon. Why not use our chips and get the best player possible to play along side George for the next 5 years.

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        • #79
          Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

          Why does everyone think we will lose David West? Think back over the last 7 or 8 years how many times did you read pacers trying to trade for David West, Donnie had been after him since he was drafted, he is playing well for us and losing him would take a LOT out of this team. (how many fewer wins would we have this year without David?)

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          • #80
            Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

            Originally posted by pathil275 View Post
            Ugly win. Here's the thing: more often than not, even against bad teams, we need an outstanding performance from one or two guys to make up for the rest of the team. This time it was Paul George (again).

            It gets frustrating if the second unit is out there and a double digit lead slips away.

            I do like our defensive identity, that's for sure. We came a long way when I recall the JOB time.
            That is the case for every team. You run your offense and when your hot player or hot matchup comes up you go to it more often than you normally would. It's not a negative that we have to have them to win; it's a positive that we are able to get them when we need them.

            Ask yourself: How often does Miami win if they don't get a big game from 2 of a particular 3 players? The Thunder? Spurs? New York? Milwaukee? Brooklyn? The Clippers?

            We don't have a superstar, but the front office has been putting a team together where at least 1 or 2 of our guys are talented enough to go off for 20+ each and every night.
            Time for a new sig.

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            • #81
              Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

              Paul George is the first guy we've had maybe ever in the NBA that just makes you go whoa with some of the athletic plays he makes. Even how high he gets for rebounds is silly.


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              • #82
                Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                Originally posted by kester99 View Post
                On a semi-irrelevant note....what happened to the drummers? Am I going deaf and blind in some strange percussion instruments only way? Or did BLF nix them?
                They're still there. They are in front of Area 55.

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                • #83
                  Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  Paul George is the first guy we've had maybe ever in the NBA that just makes you go whoa with some of the athletic plays he makes. Even how high he gets for rebounds is silly.
                  Bender?

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                  • #84
                    Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                    Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                    Bender?
                    Fred Jones as well. And Gerald Green now definitely, though PG was still before him ofc
                    Time for a new sig.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                      Bender, Fred Jones, Gerald Green, all of these guys lacked Paul George's body control which is a huge part of athleticism.

                      Watch Paul covering from paint to the 3 point line and back on D in about 3 steps. It's amazing.


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                      • #86
                        Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        Bender, Fred Jones, Gerald Green, all of these guys lacked Paul George's body control which is a huge part of athleticism.

                        Watch Paul covering from paint to the 3 point line and back on D in about 3 steps. It's amazing.
                        But he's not nearly as strong with the ball as Fred was and obviously Green is a ridiculous jumper. He's incredibly athletic yes, and he's a much better player than any of the others mentioned have ever been. But if you're talking strict athletic ability, I don't think you can put him above some of our other guys definitively.
                        Time for a new sig.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                          Bender, Fred Jones, Gerald Green, all of these guys lacked Paul George's body control which is a huge part of athleticism.

                          Watch Paul covering from paint to the 3 point line and back on D in about 3 steps. It's amazing.
                          I agree with you. Body control is something that people really underrate when it comes to athleticism. It's the reason I've always considered George to have a very high ceiling. People that smooth on the court are hard to come by.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                            Bender, Fred Jones, Gerald Green, all of these guys lacked Paul George's body control which is a huge part of athleticism.

                            Watch Paul covering from paint to the 3 point line and back on D in about 3 steps. It's amazing.
                            Agreed. I use to love watching Darnell back in the ABAdays (don't those two words used together conjure up a fond memory). Darnell could get just as high, who knows maybe even higher. But Darnell himself would tell you that he wasn't even close to having George's overall athleticism.

                            George does recover extremely well on the strong side of the court. I look forward to similar improvements, focus and the overall ability to anticipate plays being swung to the weak side of the floor.

                            For those that haven't figured it out, I can now proclaim that George has won me over. Giving him even more credit, he has "earned" me over. I've seen enough games to know that his performance is not an aberration and it is not a "trend up"', it is his new norm of play.

                            But for those who think that Granger's presence stifles George's play, you couldn't be more wrong. Together on the court, they will only provide significantly more opportunities for each other. They will each get more open looks and they will each have more opportunities to drive the ball. West and Hibbert will probably each have more room and time with the ball. And Hill... he's just salivating knowing that he will have many easier options with the ball and players that might be a little "more open" with better scoring opportunities.

                            With Granger, this will become one hell of an offensive team, not just a team capable of stopping its opponent from scoring. Now, if our starting five plus Lance and Mahinmi could be able to consume all 240 player-minutes of a game, oh what a world that would be (for a Pacers fan anyway)
                            Last edited by beast23; 01-03-2013, 01:09 PM.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                              Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                              But he's not nearly as strong with the ball as Fred was and obviously Green is a ridiculous jumper. He's incredibly athletic yes, and he's a much better player than any of the others mentioned have ever been. But if you're talking strict athletic ability, I don't think you can put him above some of our other guys definitively.

                              Sorry to me it's not even comparable.

                              Just look at him and Green next to each other on the court, Green is a gifted leaper, but everywhere else Paul is a far superior athlete, much quicker, faster in the open court, better coordination, more balanced as he attacks both offensively and defensively, Paul rarely gets caught where he is leaning too much, yes part of this is anticipation, another huge part is the ability to maintain your balance on the move, which is part of being an athlete.

                              Fred Jones is a great dunker, but in a pretty much every other way he was an average NBA athlete.

                              Bender is probably the closest of the 3, but even then he just missed....something.

                              Don't get so caught up in dunks, there is a lot more to NBA athleticism than dunks. The closest guy to Paul in terms of raw athletic talent is probably Artest.

                              Paul's overall athletic package is pretty crazy, about the only place he ranks below average is in terms of strength and even then he's kind of shown me some sneaky wiry strength that I didn't really know he had. I never really thought he would put it all together like he is, because honestly how many of them usually do and because I was already pretty happy with 14 PPG, 6 RPG, 2 APG, best defender on the court Paul George, but I'm certainly not going to say no to 20 PPG, 9 RPG, 4 APG, and still best defender on the court Paul George.
                              Last edited by Trader Joe; 01-03-2013, 01:23 PM.


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                              • #90
                                Re: Pacers/Wizards Postgame Thread 1/2/13

                                Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                                Don't get so caught up in dunks, there is a lot more to NBA athleticism than dunks. The closest guy to Paul in terms of raw athletic talent is probably Artest.
                                Artest was a great athlete. Jamison Brewer was also a fantastic athlete, he just wasn't any good. Don Buse is probably another I could mention with the others.

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