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Harrington officially demands trade from Warriors; cites differences with Nellie

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  • #16
    Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

    Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
    I do NOT want blackhole-fadeaway Harrington a 3rd time. The introduction of his attitude and gameplay will be poison to this team of young up-and-comers.

    Still, at least he's better than Tinsley and the Warriors need to do something about their point guard situation.
    Seconded.

    But maybe a three-way deal could be pulled off.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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    • #17
      Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

      Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
      I think they would think about it. I think they'd wait to see how Marcus Williams does coming out of the gate first. Maybe Mully helps his ol' buddy out! They're saying DeMarcus Nelson is getting the starting nod at PG. That's interesting.

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...SPUI13OU42.DTL
      The Warriors won't pay for the rest of Tinsley's deal. No matter what happens, Tinsley is not saving their season.

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      • #18
        Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

        According to RealGM's Trade Checker, Tinsley & Baston for Harrington would
        work.

        And Harrington's contract has just 1 year left on it.

        I'd pull the trigger on that deal in a heartbeat if they would go for it.

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        • #19
          Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

          Originally posted by RamBo_Lamar View Post
          According to RealGM's Trade Checker, Tinsley & Baston for Harrngton would
          work.

          And Harrington's contract has just 1 year left on it.

          I'd pull the trigger on that deal in a heartbeat if they would go for it.
          As I was reading this, I thought to myself, no freaking way... who wants an entitled crybaby disrupting our newly evolving "chemistry"... but when you put it that way (especially the fact that Harrington has a year left on his contract), then you have to pull the trigger on this. Even if he rode the bench...

          Man, talk about cleaning the house... that'd be incredible if all of this happened in one offseason.

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          • #20
            Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
            Tinsley for Harrington trade?

            As much as I don't want Harrington back, I can't say I'd be disappointed if it happened. Harrington would be easier to trade b4 the trade deadline.
            Co-sign.

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            • #21
              Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

              Originally posted by Bball View Post
              I'd trade Tins for him... with an eye toward a 3 team deal that has Harrington going elsewhere and never needing to hop on a plane to Indy.
              Mark this date in history... Bball and I are in complete agreement.

              I'd even throw in two second-rounders!
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              • #22
                Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

                I'd throw in every 2nd rounder from here to 3100.

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                • #23
                  Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

                  Originally posted by RamBo_Lamar View Post

                  And Harrington's contract has just 1 year left on it.
                  Which is why the Warriors aren't going to trade him for someone with another 2 years on his deal.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

                    Originally posted by d_c View Post
                    Which is why the Warriors aren't going to trade him for someone with another 2 years on his deal.
                    I wouldn't be so sure. This is the WARRIORS we're talking about here.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

                      screw getting rid of tinsley. we are more desperate at the pf position. it'd be much smarter for the pacers imo to go after one of their young pfs than it would be to attempt to unload tinsley.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

                        Originally posted by ajbry View Post
                        http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakam...or-don-nelson/

                        This guy is never satisfied. For someone of his caliber - an average player who never has impressed statistically and certainly never in important situations - Al really feels under-appreciated everywhere he goes. Nice guy, but I don't understand where his head is at.
                        Nah, I think this is a false alarm:

                        http://48minutes.net/2008/10/28/harr...y-trade-story/

                        For a guy who wants to be traded, Warriors forward Al Harrington sure sounded surprised about wanting to be traded.

                        Contacted by 48minutes.net Tuesday afternoon, Harrington and Don Nelson both denied the hours-old report from Tim Kawakami that the 10th-year forward has asked to be shipped to another destination, no longer willing to play for the NBA’s second-winningest coach.

                        “I haven’t said that to anybody,” Harrington said. “I’m being honest with you.”
                        “Not that I know of,” Nelson said. “I had a meeting with him yesterday, and it didn’t come up.”

                        Such a story would have been singularly unsurprising last season, when Harrington openly chafed at his role in Nelson’s system and the coach did little to spare the veteran’s ego, saying he’d make a better sixth man than a starter despite having scored 17.0 points per game for Golden State the previous half-season.

                        To have the report — attributed to NBA sources close to Harrington — come out now, after the two have gone to some lengths over the summer to patch up their relationship and come to an understanding, seems a little odd.

                        That’s not to say that Harrington and Nelson are now the best of friends. It’s also not to say that Harrington might not make a trade request later on in the season, if he’s back to playing less than 30 minutes a game and forced to patrol the 3-point line on offense.

                        But when the Warriors line up against the Hornets on Wednesday, expect Harrington to be in the starting lineup.

                        “Everything starts tomorrow,” Harrington said. “Training camp went perfect. Coach told me I’m one of his guys, he’s gonna play me as much as I want.”

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                        • #27
                          Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

                          Originally posted by Bball View Post
                          I'd trade Tins for him... with an eye toward a 3 team deal that has Harrington going elsewhere and never needing to hop on a plane to Indy.
                          3rd team = NY for Rose/Lee?
                          (Donnie always did like Al)
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                          • #28
                            Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

                            I don't think it's entirely impossible. People keep mentioning the extra year on Tinsley's contract, but the Warriors already have a ton of salary locked up long-term. It's not like they're a rebuilding team. They just spent a ton of cash locking up veteran Maggette and Turiaf, and don't forget Moped Ellis. I can understand why their fans wouldn't like it, but Nelson and Mullin appear to be in win-now mode to me, and with their current point guard situation, Jamaal Tinsley, as average as he is, would be an enormous upgrade.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

                              Originally posted by Quis View Post
                              I can understand why their fans wouldn't like it, but Nelson and Mullin appear to be in win-now mode to me, and with their current point guard situation, Jamaal Tinsley, as average as he is, would be an enormous upgrade.
                              Mullin isn't even really in charge anymore. He's gonna be gone at the end of the year and he's fallen out of favor with the stooge above him (Robert Rowell). He doesn't fit in the equation. Jamaal Tinsley isn't making them a playoff team, period. If you knew anything about what was behind the decision not to bring Baron back, you'd know that they would have absolutely no interest in Tinsley.

                              Nellie is going to stick around at least another year to pass up Lenny Wilkens on the all time wins list. He's all but admitted that this team is too young/green to really do anything significant.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Harrington demands trade from Warriors; doesn't want to play for Nellie any longer

                                Originally posted by d_c View Post
                                Mullin isn't even really in charge anymore. He's gonna be gone at the end of the year and he's fallen out of favor with the stooge above him (Robert Rowell). He doesn't fit in the equation. Jamaal Tinsley isn't making them a playoff team, period. If you knew anything about what was behind the decision not to bring Baron back, you'd know that they would have absolutely no interest in Tinsley.

                                Nellie is going to stick around at least another year to pass up Lenny Wilkens on the all time wins list. He's all but admitted that this team is too young/green to really do anything significant.
                                I didn't know that about Mullin...think he'd be interested in comin to Indiana? Would we want him?

                                As for Al--if we could get rid of Tinsley, I think you have to do it. Obviously they're trying to, but they can't get it done. If it's possible, it has to be done.

                                --pizza
                                It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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