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Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

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  • #31
    Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

    Originally posted by ejwallace View Post
    Especially this year with changing the ballot to 3 front court players....I still don't see Granger getting the All Star nod though....
    I can easily see Amare and Josh getting it over Danny. Amare will be back by the end of November. If NYK is hot and close in the standings to Indy, I really don't see us getting anyone in to be honest. Kyrie Irving will get in. Rondo. and Deron. Wall might. Wade will. So unless Paul really shines I don't see him getting in over Johnson or the other Points.

    Garnett, Noah, Bynum, Horford, and Bosh could all get in over Roy. Even if we are a top 4 team.

    But I think we will get one person in because of the injury bug. After all, Roy had the numbers, but if Bogut, Horford, or Noah were healthy they might have gotten the nod over big Roy. Not that they were more important to their team. But that they are more notable.

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    • #32
      Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

      Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
      I can easily see Amare and Josh getting it over Danny. Amare will be back by the end of November. If NYK is hot and close in the standings to Indy, I really don't see us getting anyone in to be honest. Kyrie Irving will get in. Rondo. and Deron. Wall might. Wade will. So unless Paul really shines I don't see him getting in over Johnson or the other Points.

      Garnett, Noah, Bynum, Horford, and Bosh could all get in over Roy. Even if we are a top 4 team.

      But I think we will get one person in because of the injury bug. After all, Roy had the numbers, but if Bogut, Horford, or Noah were healthy they might have gotten the nod over big Roy. Not that they were more important to their team. But that they are more notable.
      I thought Noah was healthy during selection time last year?
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      • #33
        Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

        Originally posted by J7F View Post
        I thought Noah was healthy during selection time last year?
        He was, we had to listen to both Chicago and New York fans crying that Hibbert got in.
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        • #34
          Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

          Originally posted by Derek2k3 View Post
          Chandler is all hype. Awful numbers for a center, and the All-star game is all about numbers.

          Two sad things: 1.) you look at the reigning DPOTY and measure his ability based purely on numbers (especially considering how favorably they compare to Roy's) and 2.) you dismiss a player as "all hype" when discussion potential All Stars.

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          • #35
            Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

            Originally posted by J7F View Post
            I thought Noah was healthy during selection time last year?
            He was my bad. He didn't have as good as numbers as Roy. And when we played the Bulls Roy outmatched him.

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            • #36
              Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

              Here is how I think Danny can get in over Melo and Pierce. First off score 19 a game, Melo will probably score around 22 or 23 a game and then Danny just needs to be a good defender and then the coaches might give him the nod over Melo since he does not like to play D, as for Pierce he is what 35 years old? You can't expect him to play at an all-star level much longer and to be honest Pierce was not much better than Granger last year and expect Pierce to decline even more this year

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              • #37
                Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

                Originally posted by ejwallace View Post
                Especially this year with changing the ballot to 3 front court players....I still don't see Granger getting the All Star nod though....

                With the balance of this team I can see no player dominating, thus statistically no player will stand out. The Pacers could be 2nd in the east and have no player in the All-Star game. That would be more motivation for the playoffs.
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                • #38
                  Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

                  Melo is making the all star game. No question. If Danny and Melo face off, Melo wins 100% of the time. No argument.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

                    After going over the list of players again, and factoring in the new voting setup, I think it will be tougher for Danny and Roy to make the All-Star team than Paul George. There are way more All-Star Quality forwards and Bigs than there are guards.

                    These are the player I think will make the All-Star team, including players from the other teams in the east:

                    Backcourt

                    1. DWill
                    2. Kyrie
                    3. Wade
                    4. Rondo
                    5. Paul George

                    Frontcourt

                    1. LBJ
                    2. Melo
                    3. Bosh
                    4. Pierce
                    5. Horford
                    6. Garnett
                    7. Bynum

                    The only chance Danny has is if he stands out as better than Pierce or if the Pacers are much better than Boston at the All-Star break. Joe Johnson could edge out Paul George just because I expect Brooklyn to get way more attention than the Pacers this year. Roy won't make the All-Star game unless Horford or Garnett get injured (I don't think he would've made it last year if Horford was his usual healthy self).
                    Last edited by naptownmenace; 10-26-2012, 11:48 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

                      I expect Paul George to take another leap forward, but I don't see him quite making the all star leap this year. Maybe next year.

                      Its between Granger, Hibbert, and West. At least one pacer will make it, and while a lot of people think it will be Hibbert. I expect it to be Granger or even possibly West (Don't be surprised if he is our leading scorer this season).
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                      • #41
                        Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

                        If it was only fan vote that factored into who got into the all-star game I would agree with those who think Chandler has a better opportunity to be in the all-star game than Roy. Reality is though it isn't, and when considering Roy is both a more complete player than Chandler and is one of the best post defenders in the league himself I find it hard to believe Chandler would get the nod over Hibbert.


                        Also I have no idea why West is in this discussion.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

                          I think Roy with his shot blocking and perhaps 15-8 season on a winning team can do it, but I really think the D West angle is intriguing. He's been a scoring machine before and his moves look stronger and healthier than last year. If he gets rolling for the first half and is knocking out 18 points every night, again on a winning team, then he might have a case.

                          I say 100% no way on Paul or Hill. Danny is the wild card. He has a potential path and can obviously put up a ton of points, plus the image that he's been there before (but so have Roy and West).



                          Shouldn't the dunk competition feature Green vs Paul? How many times have top dunkers squared off like that from the same team. I don't mean a token 2nd guy, but 2 guys that could win. Heck, they could be throwing lobs for each other during the contest.

                          Catchings, Reggie and Danny NOT in the 3 man shootout is almost stupid. Has there been a more obvious pairing before?


                          Also I have no idea why West is in this discussion.
                          Because there's a really good chance he leads the Pacers in scoring this year.
                          Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 10-26-2012, 12:31 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

                            The only Pacers player that has a chance to be an All Star is Danny but he has to compete with Pierce, Lebron, Wallace, Deng and probably somebody that comes out of nowhere.

                            Hill and Paul George have to compete against any guard, JJ, Rondo,Dwill, Dwade, Jason Terry?, Jason Richardson, Ray Allen?, etc.

                            Roy could probably make it but his climb is as big as him, Noah, Horford, , Chandler, Josh Smith, ,Amare, Bynum, Boozer, Bosh, KG, Humpries?

                            West is also on the same boat as Roy, no way he makes it, 18ppg is Seth's prediction? Ok....
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                            • #44
                              Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              I think Roy with his shot blocking and perhaps 15-8 season on a winning team can do it, but I really think the D West angle is intriguing. He's been a scoring machine before and his moves look stronger and healthier than last year. If he gets rolling for the first half and is knocking out 18 points every night, again on a winning team, then he might have a case.

                              I say 100% no way on Paul or Hill. Danny is the wild card. He has a potential path and can obviously put up a ton of points, plus the image that he's been there before (but so have Roy and West).



                              Shouldn't the dunk competition feature Green vs Paul? How many times have top dunkers squared off like that from the same team. I don't mean a token 2nd guy, but 2 guys that could win. Heck, they could be throwing lobs for each other during the contest.

                              Catchings, Reggie and Danny NOT in the 3 man shootout is almost stupid. Has there been a more obvious pairing before?



                              Because there's a really good chance he leads the Pacers in scoring this year.
                              If he was the second option I could see that, but on this team at best he is going to be number three behind Granger and Hibbert, most likely he is also going to be behind George.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Which current Pacer has the best shot at the All-star team?

                                Starting five will probably be: Deron Williams, Dwyane Wade, Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Chris Bosh/Kevin Garnett. (Derrick Rose instead of Deron Williams if he's healthy and counts on ballot)

                                The three backup guards will probably be Rondo, Kyrie Irving, and either D Will if Rose makes it, or Joe Johnson.

                                The four backup forwards will probably be Pierce, Garnett/Bosh, Horford and Bynum.

                                Celtics and Heat really have to suck or get injured to not have 6 guys from the two rosters make it.
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