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  • Pacers should go after Beno

    Beno Udrih that is. The article below indicates the Cavs are going after Beno as their starting point guard. Well Danny Ferry should know a lot about him, and I've heard some good things also. The times I've seen Beno play, I've been impressed - I believe he's worth taking a gamble on. And yes I mean as the starter. Pacers need to use a little foresight and take a chance on a guy. Point guard is a great position to take a chance on.

    Great column by Vescey below and ton of stuff, some Pacers stuff also


    http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/...ter_vecsey.htm

    SONIC BOOM FOR P.J.
    By PETER VECSEY


    June 17, 2007 -- FOR those still engrossed in the Spurs-Cavaliers series, Kobe Bryant met Friday in Spain with Lakers owner Jerry Buss and demanded to be traded. More or less - depending on which interview of the glut he did with U.S. journalists we accept as true - Bryant's request reinforces the portion he has yet to retract.
    Don't worry if you're having trouble following the bouncing Bryant, it's still early in the crisis. I always go with whatever mindset sticks in a best-of-seven continent circuit.

    Spurs assistant P.J. Carlesimo, nine seasons removed from the Latrell Sprewell stigma, feels he owns a legitimate shot at being hired as Sonics head coach. Though I've got to wonder how much a wife, who's been ill (she's fine now), and two small children will factor into a decision to take a job that'll have the family in Seattle next season and perhaps Oklahoma City or Kansas City thereafter.

    Carlesimo and newly installed Sonics GM Sam Presti, fresh out of San Antonio, enjoy a solid relationship. But does it best the bond shared by the former Spurs assistant GM and Rick Carlisle?

    If it weren't for Carlisle, says a source, Presti's value may still be unappreciated by executive VP/coach Gregg Popovich and senior VP/GM R.C. Buford. San Antonio's principal savants.

    During the 2000-01 season, when Carlisle was out of coaching (leaving Indiana's sidelines when Larry Bird did), he spent some of his time TV commentating on Sonics games. In his free time, Carlisle attended several NBA camps, practices, whatever, the Spurs' more than most. And while there he discovered how much Presti, 26, had going for him.

    "When Rick got hired by the Pistons he asked Pop if he could take Sam with him," the source disclosed. "That's when Pop and R.C. started to look at Sam differently."

    Armed with the leverage of being wanted elsewhere, Presti soon after received a promotion and all the accoutrements. Think he might feel he owes Carlisle?

    Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley is expected to name the team's president/GM this week. Mark Jackson was summoned to Memphis on the off day between Games 3 and 4 for an interview. Celtics GM Chris Wallace appears to be the other prime candidate. John Nash, Kiki Vandeweghe, John Gabriel and B.J. Armstrong also have been mentioned.

    Bernie Fryer, an ABA and NBA guard (111 games in three seasons) and a referee for nearly 30 years, retired after working Game 3. . . . Reports claim Grant Hill is considering the Suns as his next playing site. I also hear the Lakers are a real option. . . . Cavaliers GM Danny Ferry would love to pry Beno Udrih from the Spurs to become his team's starting point guard.

    Donnie Walsh and Bird are still gushing about the remarkable thesis Alex English turned in regarding what his head-coaching approach would be if given the opportunity. Had Jim O'Brien, for some reason, rejected the Pacers' job, the Raptors assistant would've become a serious candidate. . . . Correction: The '54 pitching records of Bob Lemon (23-7) and Bob Feller (13-3) were reversed in Friday's column.

    NBATV arranged an elite roundtable in Cleveland. Bill Russell, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Bob Lanier and Bill Walton showed Greg Oden the ultimate respect by sitting down with him for over an hour and sharing their centerfold experience and knowledge. When I find out when it'll be aired you'll be the second to know.

    Meanwhile, numerous newspaper people continue to harp on Kevin Durant's inability to bench press 185 pounds. Evidently he placed next to last of all draftees. If that's not proof positive coaches (pro and college) need to revise their training priorities; players are spending far too much time in the weight room and not enough on the court.

    Other than Dirk Nowitzki, nobody has gotten less flattering press following their teams' playoff ouster than Shawn Marion. By all accounts, he's sky high maintenance, forever complaining about not getting enough recognition, shots, etc. Supposedly, Suns coaches (Mike D'Antoni is quoted otherwise) and his teammates are tired of babying him. Though it may be true, the fact remains Marion flawlessly fits with how Steve Nash runs D'Antoni's run n' stun system. What's more, Marion won't be better elsewhere, and you can't convince me the Suns will be better without him, I don't care whom they swap him for.

    Dick Harter insisted his four-year contract with the Pacers should end a month before usual. In other words, May 30 vs. June 30. Evidently, the 76-year-old assistant wants to be in position to get a head start on a new job in 2011 if things don't work out for O'Brien.

    In tribute to Harter, Indiana has changed its nickname to the Pacemakers.

    This just in: LeBroom James exclusively told Jim Gray by phone he plans only to throw the ball in the waning seconds of must wins from now on to Anderson Cooper.

    peter.vecsey@nypost.com

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    Re: Pacers should go after Beno

    The Pacers were rumored to be on the verge of acquiring Beno at the trade deadline back in February. The price was very cheap....a 2nd rounder or so.

    He had a lousy season, but his per-minute production and shooting percentages from his first two seasons clearly indicate he has some talent. Actually, his per-minute numbers from his first two seasons are very similar to what Mo Williams put up in Milwaukee last year. So if he can be had for a reasonable price, why not?

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      Re: Pacers should go after Beno

      I used to be a Beno fan, but... no. I'd pass. Or I guess he'd be OK as a backup.
      You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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      • #4
        Re: Pacers should go after Beno

        Indiana Trade Breakdown
        Outgoing
        Jeff Foster
        6-11 C from Southwest Texas State
        4.3 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 23.2 minutes
        David Harrison
        7-0 C from Colorado
        3.0 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8.0 minutes
        Incoming
        Brent Barry
        6-6 SG from Oregon State
        8.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 21.8 minutes
        Beno Udrih
        6-3 PG from Slovenia (Foreign)
        4.7 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.7 apg in 13.0 minutes
        Change in team outlook: +5.9 ppg, -6.7 rpg, and +2.4 apg

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        • #5
          Re: Pacers should go after Beno

          Id pass
          LoneGranger33 said
          Agreed. As the members of Guns and Roses once said, "every rose has its thorn".

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          • #6
            Re: Pacers should go after Beno

            Hulk for Beno and a 2nd?

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            • #7
              Re: Pacers should go after Beno

              Giving up Foster for Udrih?
              No way.. I'd pass!

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              • #8
                Re: Pacers should go after Beno

                One reason why I want to go after Beno is because we could get him cheaply - I mean really I'd rather have Nash or Parker

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                • #9
                  Re: Pacers should go after Beno

                  I don't understand the fascination with this guy....especially after this and the previous rumor.....he sounds like he would be a decent...if not acceptable...backup PG....but I just don't get what's so special about him.

                  I know that the Spurs have a knack for picking up the right Euro player to draft/sign...but is this a case where he's just a talented players stuck behind an MVP like Parker?
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers should go after Beno

                    If the Cavs are going after Beno, does that mean Boobie is available?
                    This space for rent.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers should go after Beno

                      Also: Alex English? Seriously?
                      This space for rent.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers should go after Beno

                        Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                        Also: Alex English? Seriously?
                        Yeah....it sounds like he wrote a good essay and turned it into DW/Bird on time and they were really impressed. It either sounds like English knows what he's doing...or he has really good writing skills.
                        Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          Re: Pacers should go after Beno

                          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                          If the Cavs are going after Beno, does that mean Boobie is available?
                          Boobie? Whose that? Damon Jones or Eric Snow?

                          As a backup Guard....Damon Jones and his knack for shooting 3s may fit into JO'Bs rotation.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                            Re: Pacers should go after Beno

                            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                            Boobie? Whose that? Damon Jones or Eric Snow?

                            As a backup Guard....Damon Jones and his knack for shooting 3s may fit into JO'Bs rotation.
                            Boobie is Daniel Gibson's nickname. I have no idea where it came from though.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pacers should go after Beno

                              Actually the Spurs deal might not be bad if a Laker trade is made. Moving Foster and getting Bynum would allow a lot of developmental playing time.

                              But in the trade you left out one thing: its Barry , Udrih and pick #29 in the 2007 draft for Foster and Harrison. By the way Barry's contract expires after next season creating more cap room.

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