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  • #61
    Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

    Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
    He has never been a consistent scorer, and there is no reason to think he ever will be.

    Y'all might of forgot, but this "If George was aggressive" thing has been going on for years now.
    Wow, George must be a great player then, considering he averaged nearly 15 ppg 2 years ago and the "if he was aggressive" stuff was still going on. He must have 20+ ppg potential.

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    • #62
      Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

      Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
      Whom is going to rebound? Lance was our leading rebounder
      The same people who rebounded before Lance broke out last year. Lance had one really good year... He hasn't been one of our center pieces for years. I think people forget that.

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      • #63
        Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

        Originally posted by Tom White View Post
        I think it would take a shotgun to Hill's head to get him to be aggressive every game.
        They must jave had that shotty rrady for most of the 12/13 season

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        • #64
          Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

          Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
          A more aggressive Hill will help our team. Enough to beat Miami? Hell no
          Which is why we need the good Hibbert, Paul George to improve his efficiency on offense, West to show he has something left in the tank, whoever replaces Lance to play well etc.

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          • #65
            Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

            Lets not act like George Hill has never been aggressive before in his career. He averaged nearly 13 ppg off the bench in SA, and averaged nearly 15 ppg here 2 seasons ago (Which is why he got 40 million from us), its not like he isn't capable of doing it.

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            • #66
              Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

              Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
              Wow, George must be a great player then, considering he averaged nearly 15 ppg 2 years ago and the "if he was aggressive" stuff was still going on. He must have 20+ ppg potential.
              Why are you so high on Hills 15pts/5asst 2 years ago with no Lance when Lance got 14pts/5asst/7rebs with Hill in the lineup?

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              • #67
                Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

                Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
                Why are you so high on Hills 15pts/5asst 2 years ago with no Lance when Lance got 14pts/5asst/7rebs with Hill in the lineup?
                Because an aggressive Hill can replicate the points and assists Lance got us. I mean look at us 2 years ago, after our bad start we were on pace for what, a 55-58 win season with Lance averaging 8/5/2 or something? I want Lance back too, but people act like if we lose him we are done and finished. I am simply pointing out that GHill can be a very good player when he is aggressive, and losing Lance would sort of force him to be aggressive and a bigger part of the offense.

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                • #68
                  Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

                  Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                  Whom is going to rebound? Lance was our leading rebounder
                  People asked the same questions when we traded Murphy. I believe we did fine without him, and two years later we were one of the top teams in the league in rebounding. Defensive rebounding is one of the easiest things in the league to replace. If Lance was a monster on the offensive glass I would be worried, but he wasn't. Hell, if he was a monster on the offensive glass, I would be the first to say "show him the money". He wasn't the one fighting for position, and tough rebounds. He was the one getting the easy rebounds, usually with only fellow Pacers around him. He was getting rebounds that usually go to our PF or C. For the most part they are rebounds that most wing players could get if they wanted to. No, I do not mean Lance was stealing rebounds, only that he wasn't having to fight tooth and nail for ever last rebound.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

                    Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                    Because an aggressive Hill can replicate the points and assists Lance got us. I mean look at us 2 years ago, after our bad start we were on pace for what, a 55-58 win season with Lance averaging 8/5/2 or something? I want Lance back too, but people act like if we lose him we are done and finished. I am simply pointing out that GHill can be a very good player when he is aggressive, and losing Lance would sort of force him to be aggressive and a bigger part of the offense.
                    That's because Lance has the potential to be a Top 5 SG in the NBA. Hill doesn't posess that upside or potential. Hills ceiling IMO is an aggressive scorer off the bench.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

                      Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
                      That's because Lance has the potential to be a Top 5 SG in the NBA. Hill doesn't posess that upside or potential. Hills ceiling IMO is an aggressive scorer off the bench.
                      Lance (arguably) already is a top 5 2 guard. That says a lot about the state of the 2 guards in the league, granted, but the dude's 23 years old. And we're going to let him walk for nothing.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

                        Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
                        That's because Lance has the potential to be a Top 5 SG in the NBA. Hill doesn't posess that upside or potential. Hills ceiling IMO is an aggressive scorer off the bench.
                        Agreed. Hill has likely already had his best season in the NBA, or very very very close to it. He can improve a bit and will get smarter with experience, but I don't think he's ever going to play at a level that leaves you saying, "wow, I didn't expect him to do that". There's nothing wrong with that. He's a solid player.

                        Lance OTOH is 23 and has only been an important rotational player for two years. He improved by leaps and bounds from 12-13 to 13-14. This Pacer group has never looked better than it did when they were 33-7 and considered the best team in the league. Lance playing at a high level was a major reason for us being so great. Obviously he let the All-Star stuff get to his head and no doubt bugged his teammates at times, but overall he had an absolutely fantastic season. Can anyone at this point say with any degree of certainty how good Lance can be in a few years? I don't think they can. The odds are pretty slim that we've already seen his best. Thus, whoever signs him won't be signing him to get multiple 13-14 seasons from him. No, they will be banking on his continued improvement that hopefully reaches all-star level quality. Every flaw that Lance has is mental stuff that can be fixed with coaching and maturity. Physically, he is pretty much flawless and without limitation.

                        Besides, I don't like having to choose between Hill and Lance. I want both right now.

                        You need talent to win in this league. Losing Lance is a significant loss in talent. There is just no other way to spin it.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

                          Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                          He has never been a consistent scorer, and there is no reason to think he ever will be.

                          Y'all might of forgot, but this "If George was aggressive" thing has been going on for years now.
                          IN INDY, and again, this has to do a lot with COACHING... You guys keep bringing up the same idea but are not addressing the biggest negating factor to him being more of an aggressive scorer.
                          Why so SERIOUS

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                          • #73
                            Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

                            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                            Agreed. Hill has likely already had his best season in the NBA, or very very very close to it. He can improve a bit and will get smarter with experience, but I don't think he's ever going to play at a level that leaves you saying, "wow, I didn't expect him to do that". There's nothing wrong with that. He's a solid player.

                            Lance OTOH is 23 and has only been an important rotational player for two years. He improved by leaps and bounds from 12-13 to 13-14. This Pacer group has never looked better than it did when they were 33-7 and considered the best team in the league. Lance playing at a high level was a major reason for us being so great. Obviously he let the All-Star stuff get to his head and no doubt bugged his teammates at times, but overall he had an absolutely fantastic season. Can anyone at this point say with any degree of certainty how good Lance can be in a few years? I don't think they can. The odds are pretty slim that we've already seen his best. Thus, whoever signs him won't be signing him to get multiple 13-14 seasons from him. No, they will be banking on his continued improvement that hopefully reaches all-star level quality. Every flaw that Lance has is mental stuff that can be fixed with coaching and maturity. Physically, he is pretty much flawless and without limitation.

                            Besides, I don't like having to choose between Hill and Lance. I want both right now.

                            You need talent to win in this league. Losing Lance is a significant loss in talent. There is just no other way to spin it.
                            Spot on. I think we'll be okay if Lance leaves and we have to rely on the Hills and CJs to replicate his past production. But there is no one on the team that can replicate what Lance may be able to do going forward and THAT is going to be a damn shame to miss out on over a few million a year.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

                              Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                              Whom is going to rebound? Lance was our leading rebounder
                              Centers are usually pretty good at that. Oh wait..
                              I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Possible bright spot if Lance leaves

                                Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                                So is having every Lance thread high jacked by a group of about 5 Lance haters who LIVE on the message board. But I bet that doesn't bother you.
                                No way that I am a Lance hater, but I think people on here only see him as a comodity because of what he can do as an individual and don't understand that you have to address him on how, he, him being an x-factor, his contract, his antics, and the off the court issues affect the team in total. If you do not do that then you will never see any of the points some of us are trying to make.
                                Why so SERIOUS

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