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What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

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    What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

    Heading into the offseason, the Indiana Pacers had one main need. Many people said they needed a big man to help Hibbert carry the load, but that wasn’t the main need. The actual fans of the Pacers knew that their need was for a true point guard to run the team. After having bad experiences over the past few seasons with Jamaal Tinsley, T.J. Ford, and Earl Watson, they finally have gotten their all-around point guard.

    On August 11, 2010, the Indiana Pacers were able to acquire Darren Collison from the New Orleans Hornets in a four-team, five-player trade. They received both Collison and James Posey, in return for just Troy Murphy. The Nets received Murphy, while the Hornets got Trevor Ariza from Houston, and the Rockets got Courtney Lee, which also gets them more cap room next season.

    Some people are still hating on the Pacers, but why? Their roster is set up very nicely. Their starting lineup is going to look like this:

    PG: Darren Collison

    SG: Brandon Rush

    SF: Danny Granger

    PF: Hansbrough/Rolle/McRoberts

    C: Roy Hibbert

    Granted, the Pacers are weak at power forward, but those three young players are very hungry to play and that will help them all improve. First, Tyler Hansbrough probably is the best all around player out of those three, but his inner ear problems and headaches could very well keep him out most of the preseason and possibly some regular season games. Magnum Rolle was just selected with the third to last pick in the second round in this past offseason’s Draft, and he really made his presence known in the Summer League for the Pacers. He has a nice mid-range jump shot, and also is a great shot blocker and rebounder as well. McRoberts is the most interesting prospect out of these three. He’s gotten limited playing time for Indiana the past few seasons, but when he has played he’s showed great potential. Josh has improved his three point shooting, and alongside that is a very energetic and athletic player. Out of these three players I expect a healthy Hansbrough would start, but that Magnum Rolle would be the next in line with McRoberts being the third string power forward, but also getting playing time at the center position.



    Now that we’ve taken a look at the power forward situation, let’s take a look at the bench. The Pacers are going to be a very deep team this year with guys like Dahntay Jones, two of the power forwards listed above, A.J. Price when he returns from his injury, T.J. Ford, Jeff Foster, Paul George, and Lance Stephenson. The bench is going to be a major factor in whether the Pacers are a playoff team, or a lottery team this season. If the bench can come in and score a good amount per game, they’ll be fine. However, if the bench is unable to score, then the Pacers will not be able to hold off other teams’ starting lineups. Indiana has a decent starting lineup, but obviously shooting guard and power forward are not going to be that great, so it just shows how important it is that the Pacers win the second-team battle night-in and night-out.

    Once again the Pacers will be playing under Jim O’Brien. I’m wondering how well ‘Collison is going to fit into that system. He’s a decent shooter, but from everything I saw from him last season, he likes to get to the basket more. Now I’m not saying that he won’t be allowed to drive as much as he did in New Orleans, but with O’Brien you never know. All that being said, I really think that things will work out and Collison will be a huge addition for the team, both now and in the future.

    Overall, this move makes the Pacers a lot better. They finally get a true passing and scoring point guard. The issue from the point guard spot over the last few years is that they haven’t had a guard that could do both of those things. Jamaal Tinsley was mainly a scoring point guard but had some outbreaks of passing. Ford was a scoring point guard only who never passed the ball. Last but not least, Watson passed a lot and just wasn’t able to put the ball in the bucket. Indiana isn’t going to have that problem with Darren Collison, as he proved last season that he can both score and pass at the same time. I personally believe that the Pacers are now a playoff team after making this move. A #7 or #8 seed is the highest they’ll get, but at least they’ll get back into the postseason.

    Thoughts?
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    Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

    I take it this is your article, and if so it was a very nice read!

    And I agree that the bench will largely decide if we can make the playoffs, although I don't expect TJ to be a part of that.
    Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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    • #3
      Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

      guys does collison have a nickname?
      Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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        Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

        Originally posted by BornReady View Post
        guys does collison have a nickname?
        Let's hope not.

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        As for the OP, there is no way that Rolle will be ahead of McRoberts on the depth chart this year.
        "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

        -Lance Stephenson

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        • #5
          Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

          Obrien calls him Troy.

          He can't let go.
          "man, PG has been really good."

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            Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

            Originally posted by BornReady View Post
            guys does collison have a nickname?
            Let's give him number 3, so it can be DC3 vs CP3 when we play the hornets.

            or " The Slasher" or " slash attack"

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            • #7
              Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

              I don't know he has an actual nickname, but I've seen on other Hornets forums/related sites he was sometimes referred to as "DC2" or simply "DC".
              Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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              • #8
                Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                Nice read, I would also add how much Collison will make a difference on the defensive end of the floor. With Collison and Rush, we have one of the better defensive backcourts in the NBA. This, plus losing Troy Murphy, is great news for Hibbert who won't pick up as many fouls trying to pick up Ford or Murphy's guy at the basket. I also think this is huge for Rush on the offensive end who now has a PG to play with who can set up Rush perfectly. Rush has needed a PG like Collison since we drafted him, I think the Collison move will dramatically help Rush and Hibbert improve with the rest of the team.

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                  Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                  It also means that we could have 4 guys in the rookie-sophmore game on All Star Weekend assuming we sign Rolle somehow. Wouldn't that be a record?

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                  • #10
                    Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                    How about "Young DC" as it seems all these guys like to becalled Young something...like Jennings with Young Buck lol.

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                      Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                      I take offense at the comment that only actual fans knew that the Pacers biggest need was PG. I till firmly believe that PF was the biggest need. While an improvement at PG was needed a PG of Collison's talent will have a lot less impact on this team improving than a PF of similar talent playing next to Hibbert.


                      Edit: The take offense part wasn't supposed to be as serious as it sounded, my bad.
                      Last edited by Eleazar; 08-12-2010, 09:45 PM.

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                        Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                        Originally posted by BornReady View Post
                        guys does collison have a nickname?
                        If he proves to be a truly good point guard, I suggest "commander in chief" or POTUS. His position is "floor general," and his initials are DC. It just adds up.

                        Of course, I imagine DC will probably be the default.

                        As far as what acquiring him means, you're right on. It's a huge piece of the puzzle for the rebuilding of the Pacers as a playoff team. Assuming he continues to impress like he did in his time as a starter last season, this is our guy. This is the PG of the future. We've now got a well established wing player in DG, a good and improving big in Hibbert, and now a very promising PG with a good head on his shoulders in Collison. When you have those three pieces, you can fill in around them with role players and bench players that complement them.

                        This move means our team for the foreseeable future is going to be all about DC, DG, and Hibs. The rest can come and go to some extent because one is already All-Star caliber, and two clearly have the potential to reach that level with the right development, refining, and success.

                        It also means we're going to see A LOT more of these this season:

                        --pizza
                        It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                          Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                          I take offense at the comment that only actual fans knew that the Pacers biggest need was PG. I till firmly believe that PF was the biggest need. While an improvement at PG was needed a PG of Collison's talent will have a lot less impact on this team improving than a PF of similar talent playing next to Hibbert.
                          Right, but still. No one felt comfortable with what we had.

                          TJ: Turnovers, bad shots, dribbling into bigger defenders, proceeding to shoot into bigger defenders resulting in getting swatted, no defense whatsoever.

                          AJ: 2nd round pick, limited play time last year, injury in offseason.

                          Lance: Not a real PG, no NBA experience

                          Most Pacer fans didn't feel comfortable with Murphy, but we could live with it due to his offensive production and rebounding.

                          I still firmly believe PG was an absolute requirement. And honestly, Tyler can't be any worse of a defender than Murphy. At least he plays hard and tenaciously, assuming he's healthy. If not, well then PF becomes a larger concern.
                          Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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                            Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                            Originally posted by BornReady View Post
                            guys does collison have a nickname?
                            Well... let's hope someone doesn't look at the first part of his last name and start calling him "Lassie".

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                              Re: What Acquiring Darren Collison Means For The Pacers

                              Originally posted by The Lone Granger View Post
                              ...Once again the Pacers will be playing under Jim O’Brien. I’m wondering how well ‘Collison is going to fit into that system. He’s a decent shooter, but from everything I saw from him last season, he likes to get to the basket more. Now I’m not saying that he won’t be allowed to drive as much as he did in New Orleans, but with O’Brien you never know.
                              Pushing and driving the ball is so much a part of his game. Unlike Ford, Collison is capable of both finishing and dishing from his drives. IMO, if it even appears that Collison is being discouraged from driving the ball, JOB should be tossed to the curb immediately.

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