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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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    Hey guys I was wondering if any of you all had tips for drafting for fantasy basketball. The format of the starter is all five positions and 3 utility players. The draft is auction style.

    Anybody have any tips or players you would draft for sure?

    Little new to the fantasy basketball scene. Thanks.

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    Re: Fantasy basketball help

    Check out an article on many of the psorts websites like Yahoo, ESPN, Si , etc,

    they will have "draft kits" that breakdown each player and positon, plus give you pointers

    http://games.espn.go.com/frontpage/fbadraftkit
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    • #3
      Re: Fantasy basketball help

      make sure you draft Blake Griffin. Depending on the rankings, BG may fall to the middle rounds. Also be sure to draft John Wall.
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      • #4
        Re: Fantasy basketball help

        Originally posted by bhaas0532 View Post
        make sure you draft Blake Griffin. Depending on the rankings, BG may fall to the middle rounds. Also be sure to draft John Wall.
        Auction drafts work differently than that. In my league, Griffin and Wall were both nominated really early and went for way too much money.

        My tips: Don't get excited at the beginning of the auction draft and overpay for players. Don't become too attached to the idea of getting any one player. Save money early so that you can outbid everyone when the prices fall to $10-$25. Know who you are playing with. Are they fellow Pacer fans? Nominate people early that you think the other guys in your league will overbid for. I play with a few Hawks fans and watched in glee as they grossly overpaid for Josh Smith, Al Horford, and Joe Johnson. Go for guys who play PG, and PF/C. They have the most value and SG/SF types are a dime a dozen and available late. Good sleepers you can get for late and cheap: Hibbert (unless you are playing with other Pacer fans who will inflate his value), Jrue Holiday, DeMarcus Cousins, Trevor Ariza, Linas Kleiza.

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        • #5
          Re: Fantasy basketball help

          Great post cdash.

          One thing I would mention for auction is that you might run out of roster spots before you run out of money if you wait too long. Typically I like to go after one of the top 10 players and then sit on my money so i can fill out my roster with $10 players who are worth more like $20 or just have a lot of upside. It really depends on your league though. If guys come out swinging and are paying 80+ dollars out of 200 for the top couple of guys, I would hold off. If they are going for 60, then I would jump all over one of them.I would be hesitant to go with the strategy of spending all of your money on two or three guys. You will be starting a lot of $1 players, which might not be a bad thing if you snare a lot of quality players, but it typically doesn't work out so well. Especially if one goes down for an extended period of time. I.E. Chris Paul and Danny Granger last year. That strategy can easily leave you last in the league. If your $1 players are amazing, you can win it all too, but most people I have seen use that strategy don't get great production from those $1 guys. Just my thoughts.
          "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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          • #6
            Re: Fantasy basketball help

            I'd love to graduate to an auction draft in either football or basketball. By most accounts they are alot more fun.

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            • #7
              Re: Fantasy basketball help

              Originally posted by Speed View Post
              I'd love to graduate to an auction draft in either football or basketball. By most accounts they are alot more fun.
              They really are. First off, you have a chance at every player in the league. If you are willing to dish out the money, you can get them. It requires more strategy and planning, much less luck. My fantasy basketball team is all a bunch of guys who fit what I am trying to do and who I want to root for. In an auction draft I am not cornered into drafting Kobe Bryant or Kevin Garnett just because they have the most value at the slot I'm picking at. This is my first year doing it, but the draft was infinitely more exciting.

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              • #8
                Re: Fantasy basketball help

                Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                Great post cdash.

                One thing I would mention for auction is that you might run out of roster spots before you run out of money if you wait too long. Typically I like to go after one of the top 10 players and then sit on my money so i can fill out my roster with $10 players who are worth more like $20 or just have a lot of upside. It really depends on your league though. If guys come out swinging and are paying 80+ dollars out of 200 for the top couple of guys, I would hold off. If they are going for 60, then I would jump all over one of them.I would be hesitant to go with the strategy of spending all of your money on two or three guys. You will be starting a lot of $1 players, which might not be a bad thing if you snare a lot of quality players, but it typically doesn't work out so well. Especially if one goes down for an extended period of time. I.E. Chris Paul and Danny Granger last year. That strategy can easily leave you last in the league. If your $1 players are amazing, you can win it all too, but most people I have seen use that strategy don't get great production from those $1 guys. Just my thoughts.
                Yeah, my team lacks the elite guys, but they went for so much money in my league that it wasn't worth it. So I have all of those guys like Rondo, Iguodala, Tyreke Evans, etc. who are just below the top tier, but I got much better value on them and then got my pick of the litter of guys in the next level. I controlled the draft after a certain point because everyone else had blown their flexibility early.

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                • #9
                  Re: Fantasy basketball help

                  Originally posted by cdash View Post
                  They really are. First off, you have a chance at every player in the league. If you are willing to dish out the money, you can get them. It requires more strategy and planning, much less luck. My fantasy basketball team is all a bunch of guys who fit what I am trying to do and who I want to root for. In an auction draft I am not cornered into drafting Kobe Bryant or Kevin Garnett just because they have the most value at the slot I'm picking at. This is my first year doing it, but the draft was infinitely more exciting.
                  Was it a live draft with guys all present? Don't you have to do it like that?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Fantasy basketball help

                    Yeah or else you get screwed with autopicks.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Fantasy basketball help

                      Originally posted by Speed View Post
                      Was it a live draft with guys all present? Don't you have to do it like that?
                      Yeah we were all there. We weren't all in one place or anything, but you really, really need to be present for it, because autopicks will screw you.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Fantasy basketball help

                        Thanks guys. From your advice I hope to pay in the higher range for one player then bide my time and pick up players with upside in the later rounds. I do hope to get Tyreke Evans seeing as I think he might be a bit of a sleeper for those not really in tune with the less popular teams (kings).

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                        • #13
                          Re: Fantasy basketball help

                          Originally posted by cdash View Post
                          Auction drafts work differently than that. In my league, Griffin and Wall were both nominated really early and went for way too much money.

                          My tips: Don't get excited at the beginning of the auction draft and overpay for players. Don't become too attached to the idea of getting any one player. Save money early so that you can outbid everyone when the prices fall to $10-$25. Know who you are playing with. Are they fellow Pacer fans? Nominate people early that you think the other guys in your league will overbid for. I play with a few Hawks fans and watched in glee as they grossly overpaid for Josh Smith, Al Horford, and Joe Johnson. Go for guys who play PG, and PF/C. They have the most value and SG/SF types are a dime a dozen and available late. Good sleepers you can get for late and cheap: Hibbert (unless you are playing with other Pacer fans who will inflate his value), Jrue Holiday, DeMarcus Cousins, Trevor Ariza, Linas Kleiza.
                          i landed kleiza missed out on hibbert and cousins but i had them in my sights i also would add dorrell wright in as a sleeper

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                          • #14
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                            Yeah. Auction drafts are MUCH, MUCH better. Especially in football.

                            The top guys tend to be head and shoulders above the rest. When everyone has the same shot at Adrian Peterson or Kevin Durant, nobody can bi*ch about not having a chance at them. It is much more fair and there is way more strategy behind it because you aren't dependent on what yahoo, espn or cbs "experts" think.

                            My team is solid. I screwed up a bit by waiting a little too long. My depth is ridiculous, but my league isn't head to head so depth doesn't help much. If this was a head-to-head league I would like my team a heck of a lot more. I have Wall, Arenas, BJennings, BRoy, BGriffin, Hickson, Hibbert, Mayo, Ming, Boozer, RLopez, Millsap and Bynum. 12 team league.

                            I went with a lot of young bigs. They are active on the glass and have good percentages, which help make up for Jennings, Arenas, and Mayo's poor FG percentage. My team will struggle because I dont have elite guys in any one category. No Dwight Howard to dominate blocks and rebounds for me (or destroy my ft%) or Nash to dominate assists. Guys who are elite in a category are very important for your roster, but tend to go for a lot of money.

                            What does everybody else who has a team have for a roster?
                            "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                            • #15
                              Re: Fantasy basketball help

                              I haven't done fantasy basketball in a many years and I took this on a whim without much time to do any homework, but I'm okay with my team. Rather than listing it, I took a screenshot. Any input would be great. It's a 12 team league, and as soon as I saw it played 2 centers, I jumped all over it before anything else.

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