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  • #16
    Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

    Originally posted by Roy Munson View Post
    Exactly right. I think this news actually INCREASES the chances for a win.
    Yeah, it does increase the chances for a Sixers win.

    You know how the communist countries would have military parades? Well, Conseco Fieldhouse will be the site for one tommorrow, because I see the "tanks" rolling in.
    ...Still "flying casual"
    @roaminggnome74

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    • #17
      Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

      Originally posted by Lord Helmet View Post
      Add up three more losses. No way we're beating the Cavs or T-Wolves, and hell the Sixers might whoop our ***.
      Neither were games I expected them to win anyway. The Sixers game is the only "upset" out of the bunch.

      So this doesn't bother me at all. They need JO feeling good for games that are much more winnable rather than wasting him on games that weren't very likely anyway.


      Sixers have now won 6 straight
      Andre Miller, better TEAM oriented PG than AI, protects the rock more, takes better PCT shots and less of them, hands out more assists.

      I wish the Pacers had tried to match the DEN package to PHI so that a 3 way deal could have been done with Dre coming to Indy instead.

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      • #18
        Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

        Now I actually hope we get spanked tomorrow just because of all the dudes who say we are better with out JO. I want to see what the story will be then. At home against a team we should beat, and of course since we are better without Jermaine we should blow them out.

        This year we are 2-4 with out Jermaine. Wins coming against the Rockets with out Yao and T-Mac on his first game back and the Blazers, but of course we are better with out Jermaine.

        Tomorrow Mike Dunleavy and Danny Granger will learn how to drive to the basket, Mel Mel will learn how to shoot, Foster will hit layups and Murphy will learn how to play defense, all because Jermaine O'Neal isnt playing.

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        • #19
          Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

          I'm predicting a Pacer win against Phily.

          The Sixers are more of a guard driven team with Andre Miller & Andre Iguodala. I don't think having Troy Murphy instead of JO on Steven Hunter will hurt us as much as some think.

          The key to the game will be Granger on Iguodala. If you can stop AI you can stop Phily.

          Another factor is Phily playing lastnight & having to travel. It's minor I know but it may make enough of a difference to get us a win.

          Finally, the fact that the team knows that O'Neal won't be there. This is the biggest thing we have going for us. That & the fact we've lost 7 straight. Guys will step up.

          It'll be a close game but if we loose this one I'd be very surprised.

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          • #20
            Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

            Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
            If you can stop AI you can stop Phily.
            So, the Sixers still have AI.

            (I can't be the first to pick up on that. Am I?)
            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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            • #21
              Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
              So, the Sixers still have AI.

              (I can't be the first to pick up on that. Am I?)
              They have another AI.... Iggy..

              -Bball
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

              -John Wooden

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              • #22
                Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

                This may not be the thread for this, but is the pick to Atl top 10 or is it full lottery protected (top 13 or 14 I think)?

                If it's lottery, and I mean this, I don't want to make the playoffs. I would rather rest Daniels, JO, and Tinsley not play them again and get a decent draft pick vs no pick. I have to admit, I'm excited to see Ike get a full game playing time, DG be the man on offense, and Williams get a full run. Develop those guys and get a pick.

                If it's top 10 that means, what we'd finish good enough to not have many ping pong balls and end up out of the playoffs and out of the top 10, w/o a pick, worse case scenario, by far.

                Lastly, if ATL can't redeem the pick this year, does it roll to next year with less protection?

                I may join the tank team, if it's lottery protected and enjoy watching IKE do his low post thing.

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                • #23
                  Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

                  Star article this morning's reporting Daniels out 4 more and Tins possibly out tonight in addition to JO. So I have to think the Iguodala-Miller core has the advantage. Especially if they get something out of Dalembert, Korver, and/or Willie Green. Hell, at least I look at those names and say they've got a excellent point running things, a shot blocking and rebounding force, a legit 3-point threat and a budding superstar. They can actually score the ball a little. Must be nice.
                  I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                  -Emiliano Zapata

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                  • #24
                    Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

                    I wouldn't be surprised if Tinsley hobbles onto the floor tonight and plays an inspired 38 minutes....but we will still lose by 20+ points.

                    The Sixes look REALLY good since they moved Iverson. The new AI has played amazingly since the Iverson trade.....I wish we had Iguodala
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #25
                      Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

                      Originally posted by Speed View Post
                      This may not be the thread for this, but is the pick to Atl top 10 or is it full lottery protected (top 13 or 14 I think)?

                      If it's lottery, and I mean this, I don't want to make the playoffs. I would rather rest Daniels, JO, and Tinsley not play them again and get a decent draft pick vs no pick. I have to admit, I'm excited to see Ike get a full game playing time, DG be the man on offense, and Williams get a full run. Develop those guys and get a pick.

                      If it's top 10 that means, what we'd finish good enough to not have many ping pong balls and end up out of the playoffs and out of the top 10, w/o a pick, worse case scenario, by far.

                      Lastly, if ATL can't redeem the pick this year, does it roll to next year with less protection?

                      I may join the tank team, if it's lottery protected and enjoy watching IKE do his low post thing.
                      Top 10 protected.
                      STARBURY

                      08 and Beyond

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                      • #26
                        Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

                        Originally posted by D-BONE View Post
                        Star article this morning's reporting Daniels out 4 more and Tins possibly out tonight in addition to JO. So I have to think the Iguodala-Miller core has the advantage. Especially if they get something out of Dalembert, Korver, and/or Willie Green. Hell, at least I look at those names and say they've got a excellent point running things, a shot blocking and rebounding force, a legit 3-point threat and a budding superstar. They can actually score the ball a little. Must be nice.
                        In that case, I take it back.

                        The tank continues.

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                        • #27
                          Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

                          Originally posted by Shade View Post
                          In that case, I take it back.

                          The tank continues.
                          Why don't they just forfeit the game.

                          Save us the pain from watching it......

                          I'm sure it wouldn't upset the 3 people that were going to attend tonight's game.
                          Super Bowl XLI Champions
                          2000 Eastern Conference Champions




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                          • #28
                            Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

                            Originally posted by bnd45
                            Can we match the Celtics streak of 18?
                            I think we could end up losing 21 straight games.
                            I think KP is a Captain Planet fan. He believes that the collective will of five decent starters can outweigh the power of top-level talent. Too bad Herb won't cut the check for their Planeteer rings.

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                            • #29
                              Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

                              How old is Jermaine? The way he is always injured I'd guess he is about 35. I'd hate to see how many games he actually plays in 3-4 years. For a star player he misses ALOT of games. Tuck your skirt up Jermaine.
                              Sorry, I didn't know advertising was illegal here. Someone call the cops!

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                              • #30
                                Re: O'Neal out at least 3 games - Pacers.com

                                Originally posted by FiestyFosterFanatic View Post
                                How old is Jermaine? The way he is always injured I'd guess he is about 35. I'd hate to see how many games he actually plays in 3-4 years. For a star player he misses ALOT of games. Tuck your skirt up Jermaine.

                                !!!!!!

                                C'mon guys! Just cause the team is slumping doesn't mean you totally give up on them! And this was just mean and disgusting. The guy has been our rock all year long, and you tell him to tuck his skirt up?

                                Tuck his skirt up?!
                                You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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