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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

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  • #31
    Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post


    If the pacers were playing the hawks in the first round I would expect around 13,000 to 14,000 at the games. The Bulls fans will make ita sellout - so that means 4000 Bulls fans
    I don't believe that for a second. If the Pacers are capable of selling out the occasional regular season game (which they have), then they should have no problem selling out or at least nearly selling out their first home playoff games in 5 years.

    I'm not saying they would sell out in an hour or anything, maybe day of game, but I would think they can generate enough buzz to get the place reasonably filled.

    That is not to say there won't be Bulls fans. I expect there to be plenty of them, unfortunately.
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    • #32
      Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

      He hasn't shown much to make me excited that he could be a full time person for the job. Then again, we can certainly do worse, and there are certainly coaches I would want less.

      There are at least 2-3 coaches out there right now that I would 100% want over Vogel if he were to be fired today, so we will see. But no is my answer now.

      Potentially available upgrades without a coaching job now:
      JVG
      Mike Fratello
      Sloan

      Potential Offseason Replacements:
      Adelman

      Intriguing potential:
      Dwane Casey

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      • #33
        Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

        Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
        I don't believe that for a second. If the Pacers are capable of selling out the occasional regular season game (which they have), then they should have no problem selling out or at least nearly selling out their first home playoff games in 5 years.

        I'm not saying they would sell out in an hour or anything, maybe day of game, but I would think they can generate enough buzz to get the place reasonably filled.

        That is not to say there won't be Bulls fans. I expect there to be plenty of them, unfortunately.

        I hope you are correct. Biggest factor will be how many season ticket holders bought playoff tickets.

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        • #34
          Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

          Originally posted by cdash View Post
          I agree. To me, he's earned the right to be taken seriously as a candidate for the full time gig. If he wins a playoff series, then he will have the interim tag stripped away. Needless to say, I don't see that happening.
          I love how positive he is. He called DC and Dun great one on one defenders.

          But it's good. You have to know the feel of your team, and with young guys and guys coming off of injuries you NEED to be positive with them and you NEED to be calm. They'll lose confidence quickly if you don't.

          The psychology part of Vogel's coaching has impressed me more than anything. I'm not sure about the Xs and Os yet, and I don't know that we'll have an idea of that until you see him get a preseason and really..a moment to breathe and decide how he wants to run an offense, and have the available time to implement it.

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          • #35
            Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

            I do agree that we probably do not have an accurate assessment of Frank Vogel yet. I certainly wouldn't be upset if he entered the next season as our head coach and see what he can do with a full offseason of preparation.

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            • #36
              Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

              In the NBA being a great head coach has less to do with the X's and O's than it does being a good manager of the players. If Vogel could get a good X's and O's guy in as his assistant, he would be a great coach. That is why guys like JOB fail as a head coach. They may have the X's and O's down to a science, but they aren't good managers of their team. Give JOB the assistant position and he would most likely do a great job. Give him the head coach position, and unless he is coaching a bunch of vets he is going to struggle.

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              • #37
                Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                I hope you are correct. Biggest factor will be how many season ticket holders bought playoff tickets.
                I hate to be negative, (oh, wait, forgot who I was for a second), but I'll be surprised if we sell out either game. Frankly, I think the only way we sell out is if we win one of the first two in Chicago.

                And no, this isn't about the last few years, either. I remember all those ****ing Pistons fans in the '04 ECF. That was horrible. Absolutely horrible. Probably my worst memory at the Fieldhouse.
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                • #38
                  Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                  Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                  "If"
                  Thats like saying i will sleep with Megan Fox next week.
                  No... because there's a mathematical chance the Pacers could win the series...

                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                    I accidently voted no, but meant to soon to tell. Truthfully we don,t have the access to make a determination.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                      Vogel has done a decent job, but like I said at the PD party, whoever was the coach replacing the Clown he was going to look like the next great thing, all Vogel has done is to play the point guards at the point, he is playing the power forwards at the power forward position and has never play Dunleavy at the 4, even a child could have figured that out.
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                      • #41
                        Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                        Originally posted by maragin View Post
                        If he wins the series against Chicago, I'd put him at 80% for coming back as head coach.
                        Please. If he beats Chicago, they'll sign him the next day. They'd have to be morons not to.

                        Right now though, it's way too early to tell.


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                        • #42
                          Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                          He certainly deserves the first interview. I would really like to hear his longterm plans and systems/changes to current ones that he would implement in the off season. I mean as long as the defense gets completely re hauled and the offense executes the team game idea like they did tonight I would be ok with it.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                            hopefully us getting into the playoffs gets us a good coach who is willing to come to indy because we made the playoffs and have some decent young players.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                              In an "anybody but O'Brien world" Vogel has some baggage to overcome to become head coach of the Pacers.

                              He's fortunate to have gotten this time to add something to his resume without O'Brien's fingerprints on it.

                              OTOH, it's unfortunate that he really wasn't put into a situation where he could totally overhaul the system and show us what a Vogel system would be like. Obviously, he will have the opportunity to explain it in the hiring interview. ...but he'll have to sell his vision to the brass and then execute it with the team...

                              I do agree with the idea he would be helped greatly with an highly regarded assistant or two. He seems to have the ability to manage the players... having an assistant with some X/O credibility to help him implement and execute his system could be a tipping point. Especially if the Pacers can have a competitive playoff series.
                              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                              -John Wooden

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                              • #45
                                Re: Does our playoff berth= Head Coach Vogel?

                                Originally posted by flox View Post
                                He hasn't shown much to make me excited that he could be a full time person for the job. Then again, we can certainly do worse, and there are certainly coaches I would want less.

                                There are at least 2-3 coaches out there right now that I would 100% want over Vogel if he were to be fired today, so we will see. But no is my answer now.

                                Potentially available upgrades without a coaching job now:
                                JVG
                                Mike Fratello
                                Sloan

                                Potential Offseason Replacements:
                                Adelman

                                Intriguing potential:
                                Dwane Casey
                                I'd actually be pretty happy with Adelman.

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