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  • #46
    Re: the future of paul george

    Originally posted by cdash View Post
    Lots of optimism about a guy who has proven very little in college or the NBA. I like him, but he has got a loooong way to go before reaching Danny's level. Until I see signs that he is putting it together (which is a ways away and not entirely fair to PG given the opportunities he's allowed), I have to go with under DG's level.
    yep that

    I learned my lesson the first time with Rush

    Takin the wait and see approach
    Sittin on top of the world!

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    • #47
      Re: the future of paul george

      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post



      pre draft interview

      I like what he says here. He likes the ball in his hands(which we dont do also i think we should post him up some) and also some more nice info. The kid has a great head on his shoulders.
      nice clip and it made me think

      who will be the better pro

      Paul George or Wesley Johnson?
      Sittin on top of the world!

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      • #48
        Re: the future of paul george

        http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...rgedraft062210
        By Marc J. Spears,

        Rewind Selector
        The scout wasn’t backing down. In five years, he said, the best player from the 2010 NBA draft won’t be John Wall.

        Evan Turner?


        Nope.

        DeMarcus Cousins?

        Nope.
        More From Marc J. Spears

        Derrick Favors?

        Nope.

        “In five years,” the Eastern Conference scout said, “Paul George will be the best player to come out of this draft.

        “Trust me.”

        Paul George?

        Unless you’re a well-studied draftnik or hail from Fresno, Calif., chances are you haven’t heard too much about George – if you’ve heard of him at all. That’s OK with George. He’s about to go from relatively anonymous to relatively rich on Thursday, when he’s projected as a possible lottery pick in the draft.

        And if you listen to the 20-year-old George – who clearly isn’t lacking for confidence – his climb toward stardom won’t end there.

        “I feel like I have all the intangibles, all the tools to be one of the best players not only in this draft, but to play in this game,” George said. “It’s something I’m really taking to heart. My dream is to not only get drafted – that’s a goal of mine – but my dream is to someday be a legend at this game. I want to work to be that.”

        Before George elevates himself to legend, he’ll need to introduce himself to NBA fans.

        George grew up in Palmdale, Calif., in north central Los Angeles County. Among the past and present notable residents listed on Palmdale’s Wikipedia entry are John Wayne, Marion Jones and Debbie Rowe, the former wife of Michael Jackson. Craig Brackins, the junior Iowa State power forward who is projected to go in the draft’s second round, also is listed. As of Tuesday morning, George wasn’t.

        George, who grew up as a fan of the Los Angeles Clippers, not the Lakers, averaged 25 points and 12 rebounds as a senior at Knight High School. He received scholarship offers from Georgetown and Penn State, but instead chose Fresno State. The decision paid off when he received enough playing time to average 14.3 points and 6.2 rebounds as a freshman.

        By the time George’s sophomore year arrived, NBA scouts were already familiar with his athleticism and ability to play all three perimeter positions. One scout likened him to Tracy McGrady(notes) in terms of skills and demeanor. Listed at 6-foot-8 and 215 pounds, George averaged a team-best 16.6 points, 7.1 rebounds and 2.2 steals while making 90.6 percent of his free throws as a sophomore. But he also averaged 3.2 turnovers and was inconsistent, scoring more than 20 points in nine games and fewer than 10 in four others – including a scoreless performance against rival San Jose State in front of several NBA scouts. The Bulldogs finished just 15-18 and didn’t play past the first round of the Western Athletic Conference tournament.

        “He could be the best in his class,” a Western Conference NBA scout said. “He can also be the biggest bust, too. He went to Fresno State, but he didn’t set the place on fire. I question whether he understands what it takes to be a star, but I’m not saying he won’t.”

        Said an Eastern Conference scout: “Scoring comes easy to him. If he played with a high motor he’d be top five. But even at his pace, he does a lot of things easy.”

        Those scouts aren’t the only ones to question George’s energy and effort. It sounds as if he’s aware of the criticism as well. “At this next level,” he said, “you have to bring it every night.”

        Along with George’s versatility and athleticism, his size and length have helped him move up draft boards. He stands nearly 6-9 in shoes and his wingspan measures 6-11. Every lottery team from eight through 14, with exception of the New Orleans Hornets, has worked him out.

        “I’m just showing my full capabilities,” George said. “I’m showing I can defend. I have the ball-handling to make plays. I’m showing everything that I couldn’t show at Fresno and didn’t show. I think that’s really what is catching their eyes. I can be a complete package.”

        Apparently, a few other people think so too. George received one of the NBA’s 16 invites to sit in the green room on draft night. His father, Paul George Sr., had promised to come to New York if George received an invitation. The elder George is scared of flying and wanted to save his first flight for something special. This qualifies.

        “For him to take that flight to New York to get to see me in that moment, that would mean the world to me and my family,” George said. “I got so much riding on this. I got the whole city of Palmdale supporting me.”

        George isn’t the only player in this year’s draft who either starred at an unheralded program or was obscured by the depth on his team’s roster. Here are nine more who figure to shed some of their anonymity on draft night.
        Ekpe Udoh, Baylor, PF-C – Scout’s take: He doesn’t have a huge upside, but he is a quality big man who should be a solid pro for a long time. Might be the oldest player drafted at 23. A possible top 10 pick.

        Luke Babbitt, Nevada, SF – Scout’s take: He’s a highly skilled offensive player and scorer. Has good size and can rebound. Athletic, tough. Can play both forward positions. Will need to improve defensively.

        Larry Sanders, Virginia Commonwealth, PF-C – Scout’s take: He’s long and athletic. His tremendous wingspan helps him as a shot-blocker. He’s only played the game five, six years. Has an average back-to-basket game.

        Eric Bledsoe, Kentucky, PG – Scout’s take: Lost in shadow of John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins at Kentucky. Decent shooter and defender. Tough, but will need to play point guard.

        Dominique Jones, South Florida, SG – Scout’s take: Might be draft’s biggest sleeper. Combo guard. Aggressive scorer. Tough physically, mentally. Good athlete. Not a playmaker. Big question: What position is he?

        Solomon Alabi, Florida State, C – Scout’s take: Smart player, but his game – both offensively and defensively – is still raw. Has extremely good size. This is a gamble pick.

        Kevin Seraphin, Cholet (France), C – Scout’s take: Effort-type big man with good hustle and energy. Somewhat undersized at 6-9. Cut in the mold of Paul Millsap(notes) and Brandon Bass(notes). Should be drafted in the 20s.

        Hassan Whiteside, Marshall, C – Scout’s take: Raw, shot-blocking big man who has risen from obscurity. Good athlete who can run the floor. There are questions about his knowledge of the game.

        Tibor Pleiss, Brose Baskets Bamberg (Germany), 7-0, 220 pounds – Scout’s take: Could drop to the second round and play overseas next season. Nice body and skilled, but not ready to help an NBA team now.
        Last edited by 90'sNBARocked; 01-14-2011, 01:40 AM.
        Sittin on top of the world!

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        • #49
          Re: the future of paul george

          Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
          yep that

          I learned my lesson the first time with Rush

          Takin the wait and see approach
          Rush was a safe pick. Most people viewed Rush as a solid role player but didnt have star or superstar poetential. I love Rush still he is what i expected really good defense his offense still needs work but he is a really solid player.

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          • #50
            Re: the future of paul george

            No I am not that scout just so u guys know

            But i share his view
            Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-14-2011, 01:34 AM.

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            • #51
              Re: the future of paul george

              I chose above Danny's level just for his activity on defense as a rookie. Hopefully he doesn't regress like Danny did once Ron left.

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              • #52
                Re: the future of paul george

                If he just gets to Trevor Ariza level, I'll be very pleased with that pick.

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                • #53
                  Re: the future of paul george

                  Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                  Just wait tell he starts shooting like he does at Fresno u will see why im so high on the guy
                  Originally posted by cdash View Post
                  I know he has a beautiful shot, good athleticism, and all the physical tools required to be a sensational player. I just haven't seen the production or the intelligence yet.
                  Now you believe me and see why I was so high on him??

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                  • #54
                    Re: the future of paul george

                    Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                    Now you believe me and see why I was so high on him??
                    Yep. You are clearly a prophet.

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                    • #55
                      Re: the future of paul george

                      Didn't he change his shooting mechanics in the offseason?

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                      • #56
                        Re: the future of paul george

                        really? i know you aren't suppose to post duplicate threads but y go back to a year old thread? thats getting ridiculous

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                        • #57
                          Re: the future of paul george

                          The future is so bright, I gotta wear shades.

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                          • #58
                            Re: the future of paul george

                            This kids gonna be a freakin super star. He's got every tool in the box... his only downside is his ball handling, and relative inexperience... other than that, he just might be the greatest Pacer we've been privileged to watch play ball when it's all said and done.

                            I just can't say enough good things about him.... and the old timers on PD know that I don't throw out compliments very often. Paul George is the real deal.

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                            • #59
                              Re: the future of paul george

                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                              I am more excited about Paul than I was when Danny came into the league. He's a lot younger than Danny, a lot smoother, a lot quicker, better naturally at rebounding the ball. He will play above the rim while Danny plays below it. He is a confident and aggressive player who...once he starts draining shots...he will not stop shooting it. He just appears to have a higher ceiling. But yes, it's impossible to know how it will turn out.
                              ...and I must say, I have not changed my opinion one bit. ...other than I think it's now getting a little more possible to know where he's going...and it's good news for Pacer fans.

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                              • #60
                                Re: the future of paul george

                                He is going to be a perrinneal all-star in a few years. I love that thought, but I'm also afraid of that. What if he grows an ego and forces his way into a big market?
                                Senior at the University of Louisville.
                                Greenfield ---> The Ville

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