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Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

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  • #46
    Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

    I don't think AI would be a good fit. We need backcourt help, true, but AI is not really the kind of backcourt help we need.

    Also, why are we giving up on this team so early? Can we give them a chance?

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    • #47
      Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

      Leaving the issue whether I want AI as a Pacer aside... Does anyone really think if we were to acquire AI, and not use JO to do it, that AI and JO could coexist on the same team? No friggin' way. ...And I'd think management would realize that too. At least I'd hope they would.

      Is AI going to be happy feeding the post? Is JO going to be happy if AI doesn't look to feed the post nearly every trip?

      -Bball
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • #48
        Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

        If we were to consider SJax, Tinsley, and AI equal in terms of attitude, then what exactly would we be losing if we were to do that trade?


        I see a bigger gain than loss.

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        • #49
          Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

          Originally posted by Destined4Greatness View Post
          We talkin bout practice.



          that was funny D4G, I remember when Iverson went off on the media about that cracked me up. They recently had it on BDSSP 50 Greatest something's can't remember but he just kept goin off on the media " we talkin about practice....we talkin about practice...." I think he said it like 15 times.

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          • #50
            Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

            AI plays D though...he's always getting steals. I'd take him as my starting point over Tinsley any day of the week, and to give up Jack, who cares at this point? His future is up in the air anyways. I don't think Philly does it, but those who say they don't want AI apparently don't want any superstar on this team, cuz he's one of the best.

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            • #51
              Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

              So, we're discussing one of the top ten, at least, players in the league...tell me again what keeps you from doing this? If there were ANY way to get JO and AI on the same team (Al or not), you do it. Can they co-exist? I guess I can't tell for sure. But, IMO, having those two players, plus anyone alive and intelligent (not name Artest) would make us instant favorites.

              If it's possible, DO THIS!
              It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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              • #52
                Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

                Honestly If we could get AI on our team for Jackson and Tinsley I would do it. What's not to like? he's averaging about 7-8 assists(same amount as Tinsley dishes out) a game, 2 steals a game(perimeter defense we desperately need), and is averaging 31.3 ppg(Scoring would increase) on about 20 shots attempts... Jackson's shot attempts plus Tinsley's would be about the same amount as AI attempts in a game. I know the argument of intangibles is there and stats don't tell the whole story but I know AI and have seen AI will his team to victory on quite a few occasions. I don't think they're going to get "equal value" for a player which is now known to the league that doesn't want to be in philly any longer.

                I think the whole argument about AI being a thug or not wanting to win is ridiculous. He hasn't rushed into any stands lately, shot a gun at a strip club in the dead of night(In Jack's defense thoug he is going about things much better this season ever since that incident).

                I think the whole opinion on AI if we were to get him would greatly depend on whether or not we were winning, if we were winning a lot of our games I guarantee a vast majority of the Pacers fans could care less what he does. I agree with what someone said on this board earlier, I'm tired of hearing about talent, potential, and future we've been riding that boat for almost 7-8 years now.

                I just want this team to win a championship, I'm so tired of hearing about Indiana teams choking when it matters the most, or the fact that we're constantly reminded by other fans we don't have a championship. I've been with the pacers and colts through horrible horrible seasons and regardless of whether or not we come together and do some great things this season or any other I'll still always enjoy watching the Pacers and Colts.

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                • #53
                  Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

                  Originally posted by indy0731 View Post
                  Really past few Pacers games I have been too Quis hasn't exactly gotten a warm reception. Lets be honest when Sarunas and Foster come in they consistently get standing ovations. Everybody else is hit or miss at best.
                  Reggie Miller
                  Heywood Workman
                  Dale Davis
                  Antonio Davis
                  Clark Kellogg
                  Chuck Person
                  Johnny Davis

                  Shall I go on?

                  People are entitled to dislike whoever they wish.
                  Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

                    Originally posted by indygeezer
                    Reggie Miller
                    Heywood Workman
                    Dale Davis
                    Antonio Davis
                    Clark Kellogg
                    Chuck Person
                    Johnny Davis

                    Shall I go on?

                    People are entitled to dislike whoever they wish.
                    Extremely good point here, geeze. While I'm sure it exists, racism is not a widespread problem here. Sarunas and Foster get big ovations because there is absolutely no question that they leave it on the floor. They come out and bust balls, trying to do what they can for the team, and in Indiana that gets you a lot more applause than just scoring does. Jackson, Tinsley, and even 'Quis sometimes, have a tendency to look disinterested--like they don't care--and that is the quickest way to the doghouse. If Foster went out and tried on a couple plays, but dogged it on others, I'm sure he'd get the same critism as anyone who has a better tan.
                    It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

                      It's a reach, but if we could swing a deal for both AI's (Iverson and Iguodala) trading something like Tinsley, Jackson, Harrison, and another (Daniels?)... I'd be very intrigued. Of course, Iguodala is to Philly what Granger is to Indy.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

                        Originally posted by bulldog View Post
                        True.



                        You're kidding, right? In you wildest dreams, could you imagine Granger becoming half the player Iverson is?

                        Listen, I understand you folks don't like the practice comments and all that. But he comes to play hard every night and throws his body around with no regard for his own safety. You can't deny his will to win. He's no angel, but that's enough for me.

                        Teaming up Al, JO, and AI is such a no brainer I can't believe we're even having this discussion. Only problem is, there is no player on our roster the sixers would take in exchange for Iverson.
                        Bulldog I am all for obtaining AI. I merely was wondering what people think of Danny vs. AI for the long term of the team. I don't think its extremely cut and dry either way.


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                        • #57
                          Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

                          Originally posted by indy0731 View Post
                          Webber was what 3,4,5 years older than JO is when he arrived in Philly? He was obviously on the decline. JO may not be getting better, but I don't think hes declining. Though the JO and AI ball sharing thing could be interesting if they are both indeed that selfish.
                          Let's look at Webber's stats last year and compare them to JO's in 05-06.

                          Webber: 75 GP 20.2 PPG 9.9 RPG 3.4 AST .8 BPG .434 FG %

                          JO: 51 GP 20.1 PPG 9.3 RPG 2.6AST 2.3BPG .472 FG %


                          Not much difference in their stats, and Webber played 24 more games.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

                            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                            Ummm . . . corn rows, mohawks, or tattoos can be attributed to Ben Wallace, Al Harrington, Shaq, Rip Hamilton, and hosts of others.

                            Character, dude. Discipline, integrity, reliability, moral terpitude, basic human decency, selflessness.
                            Well then you are judging a man by a microscope he is placed under and if that is how you judge human beings be my guest. Personally I give a benefit of the doubt to just about anyone. I have my opinion on why Iverson is looked upon as such a pariah and you have yours. Personally I think it could probably go either way. I don't really want to turn this into a racial thread. However for anyone that thinks this isn't major issue as to why some people in this state dislike JO, Jack et. al. I would suggest nothing better than to attend a game in a town like Danville, Crawfordsville or Lebanon in which a city team from INdy travels out there for what is supposed to be a friendly HS game of Bball and you will hear things that will turn your ears.


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                            • #59
                              Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

                              Originally posted by Adam1987 View Post
                              Let's look at Webber's stats last year and compare them to JO's in 05-06.

                              Webber: 75 GP 20.2 PPG 9.9 RPG 3.4 AST .8 BPG .434 FG %

                              JO: 51 GP 20.1 PPG 9.3 RPG 2.6AST 2.3BPG .472 FG %


                              Not much difference in their stats, and Webber played 24 more games.
                              And as we all know stats tell the whole story as to how a player impacts the game.


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                              • #60
                                Re: Vecsey: Iverson demands to be traded (mentions Pacers)

                                Until his microfracture, Chris Webber was far better than JO has ever been or will ever be, and by a pretty wide margin.

                                but C-Webb on one leg has slipped below JO.
                                The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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