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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • #31
    Re: Can we finally agree on....

    I have to agree with UB on this one. I don't see how you can argue this. It's not even the big injuries that bother me; it's the constant nagging ones that never seem to go away.

    How many times do you find yourself reading the pre-game report and see Jermaine's name listed as injured......when he's playing! It's constantly something. I don't know what the reasons are behind it, but there is no denying it. I respect JO for trying to fight through a lot of those nagging injuries, but as UB said he is never the same effective player compared to when he takes a couple games off to regroup.

    Ask any fan of another team what they think of JO. I can almost guarantee that at least either of the phrases "overpaid" or "injury-prone" come up.

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    • #32
      Re: Can we finally agree on....

      PRESEASON. That is all. Maybe TPTB finally learned that "Hey, JO is a perennial all-star maybe we shouldn't make him play a bunch of games that don't matter in the end." The Lakers do it with Kobe and a ton of other teams do it with their best player. He may have a very, very slight injury, but I highly doubt it would keep him even out of an uimportant regular season game.


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      • #33
        Re: Can we finally agree on....

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        P.S. you can be a JO fan and still admit he is injury prone.
        Constuctive criticism and being a fan? What a novel idea.

        Reggie played bad defense
        Mark Jackson was slow
        Jalen Rose took some bad shots
        Dale Davis couldn't score

        and

        Jermaine O'Neal gets injured a lot

        These are only facts...They don't mean you're a worse fan for aknowledging them.
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        • #34
          Re: Can we finally agree on....

          Originally posted by able View Post
          When ? after playing to soon with an ankle at request of the coachnot freak ?LOL yeah that was wear and tear right ? when ?who hasn't ?? wrong player You are joking here aren't you ?
          Half of the above exist in your imagination only.
          The injury of JO atm is of no consequence, but since it is PRE seaons they do not want to take any risk.
          Now Tins is playing it becomes harder to biatch about anything, so we can concentrate on JO again, I wonder what it is with people that there is a need to bash our best player, and one of the best players in the league, is it their own inferiority complexes that they have to protect this way? I really dont know but I do know that it is almost sickening that after we had the shoot Jax threads we now have threads guessins on how many games our PG will miss and to whether we can agree that our best player is injury prone.

          Start by defining injury prone, then you will see that your entire premise is wrong to begin with.

          Secondly start praying heavily to be wrong, because this team without JO is absolutely aiming for the last spot in the league.

          Before annointing other players to be the stars of the future, let them get to the future first, in the present JO is by far our best player, a perennial All Star (something we never had in the NBA) and a potential MVP candidate.
          He has that palmares, earned, let's try and pay him the respect that comes with the territory
          *removed* Cool off, or leave [-Hicks]I am so tired of JO-Lovers saying this team is headed to lottery without him. THE TEAM WINS MORE GAMES WITHOUT HIM. I am not that good in Math, thats ables claim. But the more games you win, the more likely you are to make the playoffs, If I understand this correct. I think thats the problem the Hawks keep running into.

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          • #35
            Re: Can we finally agree on....

            i actually cant believe half the stuff i am reading here!

            J.O isnt "injury prone" ...most of the games hes missed were from freakin incididents like his shoulder or knee.... how can flu be seen as an arguement for a player being injury prone!

            In preseason if your star player who in garanteed to be playing 30 mins a game all year regardles of what happens in these games even feels the slightest bit tight you sit him down ... i dont care if its his little toe that has an itch ... you dont risk anything in preseason with your best player...

            as for this team being better without J.O i might actually cry! Hes an All star, one of the top post players in the league and our best player ... period!
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            • #36
              Re: Can we finally agree on....

              Originally posted by The Hustler View Post
              i actually cant believe half the stuff i am reading here!

              J.O isnt "injury prone" ...most of the games hes missed were from freakin incididents like his shoulder or knee.... how can flu be seen as an arguement for a player being injury prone!

              In preseason if your star player who in garanteed to be playing 30 mins a game all year regardles of what happens in these games even feels the slightest bit tight you sit him down ... i dont care if its his little toe that has an itch ... you dont risk anything in preseason with your best player...

              as for this team being better without J.O i might actually cry! Hes an All star, one of the top post players in the league and our best player ... period!
              Nobody is argueing with you that JO isn't the best player, but is he in the best interest for our team? Does he hold up the offense so much that we can't transform in more ball movement and more running offense? Besides all the little (freak) injuries, and I hope that he got his share of it, is it the right choice to keep him on our team?
              Maybe now is the best time to trade him while he still has some nice value. Another injurie riddled season makes a possible trade much less attractive.
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              • #37
                Re: Can we finally agree on....

                So a handful of Injuries already this season, are people who denied it finally willing to admit it. JO is Injury Prone.

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                • #38
                  Re: Can we finally agree on....

                  Originally posted by Destined4Greatness View Post
                  So a handful of Injuries already this season, are people who denied it finally willing to admit it. JO is Injury Prone.
                  And yet he has only missed one game. :


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                  • #39
                    Re: Can we finally agree on....

                    Kings will give you Bibby+Scoreless Williamson+Garcia for JO.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Can we finally agree on....

                      Originally posted by indy0731 View Post
                      And yet he has only missed one game. :
                      So what, its ok for him to play at what looks like 70%. Congrats he has missed one game in less than 20. Hes already this beat up now, wait till february. Admitting JO is injury prone doesn't make you less of a fan, in fact all it can do for you is make you a more realistic person.

                      And how exactly is this issue a dead horse, didn't he get hurt like 2 1/2 hours ago. OK guys no more holding things against players past an 2 hours. No more whining about Jack shooting too much unless it happened in that time frame. AND WHOA the brawl is off limits.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Can we finally agree on....

                        Every player has their positives and negatives.

                        Yes, EVERY player.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Can we finally agree on....

                          Originally posted by Kingsfanbmiller View Post
                          Kings will give you Bibby+Scoreless Williamson+Garcia for JO.


                          It would be worth seeying "old friends" JO and Ron reunited
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                          • #43
                            Re: Can we finally agree on....

                            Yes he is injury prone

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                            • #44
                              Re: Can we finally agree on....

                              We've been burned a few times when our key players had to cut their careers short due to injuries. Smits, Stipanovich, Kellogg.

                              We cannot afford to lose JO without getting something in return. I sure hope he is able to perform well in a few games before the end of the season. I'm thinking we probably need to trade him... and the trade involving JO will be a make or break trade for this team.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Can we finally agree on....

                                Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                                We cannot afford to lose JO without getting something in return. I sure hope he is able to perform well in a few games before the end of the season. I'm thinking we probably need to trade him... and the trade involving JO will be a make or break trade for this team.

                                It is by far the biggest decision facing this franchise, and the trade will impact the franchise for years and years

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