Josh Smith Availability

[pacergod2]

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I don't want anything to do with OJ Mayo or Al Jefferson, unless we get them for cheap, i.e. cap relief and spare parts.

They play little to no defense. Nor do they care to. No Thanks.

[Gamble1]

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Iguodala 100 times out of 100. Doubt Philly trades him though, besides the Evan Turner factor they have no reason to do so.

Well I knew you would say that....

They may want to cut salary but they would want a pretty good package for Iggy. IF we put two first round picks on the table that may swing things.

Next question. Would you rather have Josh Smith or Iggy?

I ask this because I highly doubt we can get both.

[Hicks]

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Josh Smith would immediately become our starting PF if he arrived in town tomorrow night.

But with that said, I'm not in love with his game, either. Not unless I have several people tell me that he's really good at guarding big men on the low block. I've always thought of him as a terrific weak side defender, but nothing special one-on-one in the post. He's not exactly an ideally-sized PF, though he does have really good hops.

[Jrod Jones]

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6'9'' 240 is a pretty excellent sized PF when you factor in his athleticism

[xBulletproof]

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Josh Smith would immediately become our starting PF if he arrived in town tomorrow night.

But with that said, I'm not in love with his game, either. Not unless I have several people tell me that he's really good at guarding big men on the low block. I've always thought of him as a terrific weak side defender, but nothing special one-on-one in the post. He's not exactly an ideally-sized PF, though he does have really good hops.

I think this size issue comes from how big he was coming out of high school. He looked to be SG/SF size. No more. He's grown since then but I don't think perception changes so easily.

That's my guess. 6'9 and 240 is fine for a PF.

[Hicks]

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6'9'' 240 is a pretty excellent sized PF when you factor in his athleticism

I don't know. He looks 6'9" as much as Tyler looks 6'9".

[Jared Sullinger]

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He measured 6'7" barefoot, 6'8.25" in shoes. Of course, that was seven years ago and he was 18 years old at the time. Tyler was 6'8.25" barefoot, 6'9.5" in shoes.

[The Jackson shimmy]

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Gamble1-

Dalembert is an interesting name and one that crossed my mind the
other day when thinking through reasonably priced, athletic 'bigs'
whom could back up Hibbs at the 5 and play some sparse mins at
4 in a pinch and will be available.

He's a bit older (at almost 30) than is ideal. But he's about as good
a fit as their is in terms of size, skill-set and importantly, his
likely price tag.

[troyc11a]

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Gamble1-

Dalembert is an interesting name and one that crossed my mind the
other day when thinking through reasonably priced, athletic 'bigs'
whom could back up Hibbs at the 5 and play some sparse mins at
4 in a pinch and will be available.

He's a bit older (at almost 30) than is ideal. But he's about as good
a fit as their is in terms of size, skill-set and importantly, his
likely price tag.

I dont think 30 is bad at all considering how this team needs some veteran leadership. IDK if Dalembert is a leader or not. Isnt he the one that used to get made fun of for being a little lazy? I might have him mixed up with someone else but this is more than a few years back.

[ballism]

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I'm know I've mentioned Dalembert myself before too, but I'm a bit pessimistic since I think someone might overpay him. Overall, far from impressive performance during his current contract. But the last few months, he's been tearing it up.

I wonder what salary he will command. At midlevel would be a nice signing. Otherwise I'd rather look elsewhere.

[cdash]

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Well I knew you would say that....

They may want to cut salary but they would want a pretty good package for Iggy. IF we put two first round picks on the table that may swing things.

Next question. Would you rather have Josh Smith or Iggy?

I ask this because I highly doubt we can get both.

Josh Smith. I think he's such a great fit for this team. Out of any realistic option (i.e., not a superstar) he's probably my #1 target.

[beast23]

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Gamble1-

Dalembert is an interesting name and one that crossed my mind the
other day when thinking through reasonably priced, athletic 'bigs'
whom could back up Hibbs at the 5 and play some sparse mins at
4 in a pinch and will be available.

Dalembert will be a free agent, but is currently making 12.2M. I don't think he will be a reasonably priced backup at all. I think he will be way to expensive for a backup role and if acquired, would cause cap room dollars to run short in other areas of need.

[Infinite MAN_force]

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Dalembert will be a free agent, but is currently making 12.2M. I don't think he will be a reasonably priced backup at all. I think he will be way to expensive for a backup role and if acquired, would cause cap room dollars to run short in other areas of need.

At Dalembert's age I doubt he commands that kind of money this time around.

[Infinite MAN_force]

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there are so many reasons why we should look at Josh Smith, that it is incredulous so many would not want him here. We would get more out of Josh Smith than the Hawks get from him, just based on the rotation make-up for both teams. I would not want to give up Granger or Hibbert for him though. He compliments both players so well that it is the reason behind wanting him so much. Hansborough, Rush, George, and Collison are all very likeable, good players. I would give any of them up for Smith, because you can't bring in better players without giving something of value up.

Sorry so long.

The bolded part is a very good point, particularly when talking about Hibbert. The appeal of going after Josh Smith is as much about "fit" as it is talent. Giving up Hibbert in the deal would negate a lot of the positive impact, because a lot of the appeal is about how well Josh Smith fits with Hibbert in your potential front court.

If you can get a player who is both a great "fit" and a big talent upgrade, you do it... no questions asked. However, I don't think Hansbrough and a first are enough to get the job done.

As stated in the original article, Atlanta is looking to shed cap space and hopefully fill multiple positions by trading Smith. Their weak positions are center... and point guard. Kirk Hinrich is their current starter and their backup Jeff Teauge has been a bit of a draft disappointment.

I think offering a deal of Collison and Hansbrough, with the added incentive of being able to absorb Josh Smith's contract for immediate cap relief, would be a fairly reasonable offer for Smith. This fills a position of need for Atlanta (PG), without sacrificing front court depth (Hansbrough), and giving them the cap flexibility to pursue a center in the off season, thusly allowing them to move Horford to PF as they have long desired.

This leaves the Pacers with a hole at PG, but with your first round pick still in hand, swinging a deal for a player like Raymond Felton becomes a reasonable possibility. You still have the capability to absorb contracts and provide immediate cap relief to another team. For Denver, who's PG of the future is clearly Ty Lawson, getting out of Felton's contract and simultaneously gaining a mid first round pick would be very appealing... a mid first round pick that could be used to acquire a new back up PG.

Felton, while a slight offensive downgrade from Collison, is a defensive upgrade, a better passing PG, and a better leader with more veteran experience... resulting in an overall upgrade of the position.

The current "arm chair GM" scenario I have laid out, would leave the Pacers with a starting lineup looking something like this...

Raymond Felton
Paul George
Danny Granger
Josh Smith
Roy Hibbert

That is an off season I would be pretty happy with.

[Gamble1]

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Gamble1-

Dalembert is an interesting name and one that crossed my mind the
other day when thinking through reasonably priced, athletic 'bigs'
whom could back up Hibbs at the 5 and play some sparse mins at
4 in a pinch and will be available.

He's a bit older (at almost 30) than is ideal. But he's about as good
a fit as their is in terms of size, skill-set and importantly, his
likely price tag.

Dalembert should be a piece we could add if we are willing to spend 6 to 7 million for a backup Center and for anyone who quotes his previous salary it was obvious that he was overpaid by the Sixers and he won't even sniff that type of contract again.

Dalembert would be an upgrade over Jeff Foster and he has the potential to be a starting Center if Hibbert is traded for Josh Smith. I wouldn't prefer that trade but he would be a good fit if we traded for Al Jefferson too. People think he is just a backup center now but his per 36 stats are the same as when he was with the sixers in 06-07. If we wanted to play old school tough nose ball then I wouldn't mind him on our team with a possible coach like Mike Brown who would utilize his strengths on defense.

Edit: I should also mention that a Tyler Dalembert combo would be pretty good as well.