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Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

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  • #31
    Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

    Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
    Just in time for the most critical 24 hours in Trade negotiations.



    That's all I could think of when I heard the news.

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    • #32
      Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

      Originally posted by able View Post
      If this Brizzi character is seriously stopping them from playing tonight or wants them seriously to report on a gamenight then I don't need anymore "proof" of anything.

      Tell the man I'll gladly make a website for his political ambitions

      You have accusations for everyone but Tinsley and Daniels, don't you?

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      • #33
        Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

        Screw Brizzi.
        Super Bowl XLI Champions
        2000 Eastern Conference Champions




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        • #34
          Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

          Originally posted by imawhat View Post
          You have accusations for everyone but Tinsley and Daniels, don't you?
          They don't need mine, they have Brizzi and Bball




          So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

          If you've done 6 impossible things today?
          Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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          • #35
            Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

            Originally posted by Lord Helmet View Post
            Screw Brizzi.
            He is just doing his job.... Tinsley and Daniels are the ones that got themselves into this situation... What b/c they are Indiana Pacers he is supposed to look the other way or something???
            "George's athleticism is bananas!" - Marc J. Spears

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            • #36
              Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

              My guess is the Pacers saw how the Colts were being embarassed and not to be outdone ended up embarassing themselves even more. I guess on the bright side this shows that our team is competitive.



              Edit: In the by the way department anybody good at photoshop willing to make me an avatar of this picture of tinsley but instead of the pinstripe suit edit it so that it's a prison suit with stripes?

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              • #37
                Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

                There wasn't much doubt that the grand jury would return indictments. Given the high profile of the people involved, to not indict then would make it look like preferential treatment, right or wrong. The grand jury is made up of people who's identities are protected, if I'm not mistaken, but given the apparent witness testimony I don't think it was possible for it to not go to trial.

                The story being put forth seems very fishy to me. I just can't see Tinsley reacting that way without provocation. Being accidentally pushed or even accidentally hit while the manager is in the process of defending the patrons' personal property, possibly even Tinsley's or others from their party would seem to lend an air of forgiveness, not outright assault.

                Having said all that, I still don't like Tinsley. I like him even less for his name being associated with this. I don't like his game most of the time, so I am certainly a little biased. I like Daniels' game, and I like him less for HIS name being involved in something like this again, so I would take my bias against Tinsley with a grain of salt.

                Tinsley is one of those players full of "I wish"'s. I wish he had been more healthy in previous seasons, I wish he were more consistent. I wish he wouldn't have his name involved in every black-eye/blemish/embarrassment incident that comes up....etc., etc., etc.....

                One other thing that bothers me about this is certain posters unwavering ability to rationalize away and deflect all possibility of the players' guilt. It really is a clinical exercise studying the posting habits of certain people. It has become so predictable, that during the pregame show, as I was taking a break from painting, I heard the news that Tinsley and Daniels had been charged. My VERY first thought was to log on to PD to see what wonderfully supportive posts had already been made in support of our White Knight, Jamaal Tinsley....This is part of what makes PD less desirable to me....It is a good thing that I have been way too busy to come here very often, and I wasn't bummed that I couldn't log on during pregame to check my suspicions because I had stuff I just HAD to get done...

                Don't get me wrong, I still like this place, and I like most of the people here. I would go so far as to say 90-95%....I still like coming to one place to get most of the Pacers info I crave. It just gets cumbersome reading posts by people so blind with love, they can't even begin to fathom that there is any other solution than outright conspiracy at all levels to undermine the wonderful human being that is Jamaal....

                (sigh)...maybe it's just ME...




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                • #38
                  Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

                  Originally posted by able View Post
                  They don't need mine, they have Brizzi and Bball




                  I like Marquis for the team.

                  -Bball
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #39
                    Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

                    What is fishy for me is the fact that the strongest charge is the felony charge for "intimdation". Look, if Tinsley and Daniels were just kicking this guys *** without provication, there would be an "Assault" charge and that is a very strong felony.

                    So, this "grand jury" only comming up with a felony charge on "intimidation" is very telling that there really isn't much proof, witnesses, or evidence to make this incident more then just bad P.R. and a media field day for the prosecutor's office.
                    ...Still "flying casual"
                    @roaminggnome74

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                    • #40
                      Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

                      I just wonder if every bar fight in the city of Indianapolis will go to a grand jury now. Is this a new policy and if so I simply don't see how the legal system can keep up with these and all the serious cases.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

                        Originally posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
                        What is fishy for me is the fact that the strongest charge is the felony charge for "intimdation". Look, if Tinsley and Daniels were just kicking this guys *** without provication, there would be an "Assault" charge and that is a very strong felony.

                        So, this "grand jury" only comming up with a felony charge on "intimidation" is very telling that there really isn't much proof, witnesses, or evidence to make this incident more then just bad P.R. and a media field day for the prosecutor's office.
                        Just keeping everyone clear here:
                        Assault is threatening words. Battery is physical contact. Most people get those confused in regards to legal charges because in general lanquage people will typically call a physical confrontation an assault. That's NOT the legal definition.

                        Both players ARE charged with battery (which means they are accused of physically confronting someone). Neither is charged with assault... And I'm not clear on the difference in an "Intimidation" charge as compared to an "Assault" charge. It very well could be "Intimidation" is either a wider (or maybe more narrow) form of an "assault" charge.

                        So, I wouldn't read too much into the strength (or lack thereof) of the case based on the charges.

                        -Bball
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                        ------

                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • #42
                          Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

                          OK... I've looked it up. For all intents and purposes, "Intimidation" is "Assault" but filters things a bit to fit certain scenarios. If you can charge "Intimidation" then "Assault" would be redundant.

                          [b] IC 35-45-2-1
                          Intimidation
                          35-45-2-1 Sec.
                          1. (a) A person who communicates a threat to another person, with the intent:
                          (1) that the other person engage in conduct against the other person's will;
                          (2) that the other person be placed in fear of retaliation for a prior lawful act; or
                          (3) of causing:
                          (A) a dwelling, a building, or another structure; or
                          (B) a vehicle;
                          to be evacuated;
                          commits intimidation, a Class A misdemeanor.
                          (b) However, the offense is a:
                          (1) Class D felony if:
                          (A) the threat is to commit a forcible felony;
                          (B) the person to whom the threat is communicated:
                          (i) is a law enforcement officer;
                          (ii) is a judge or bailiff of any court;
                          (iii) is a witness (or the spouse or child of a witness) in any pending criminal proceeding against the person making the threat;
                          (iv) is an employee of a school corporation;
                          (v) is a community policing volunteer;
                          (vi) is an employee of a court;
                          (vii) is an employee of a probation department; or
                          (viii) is an employee of a community corrections program.
                          (C) the person has a prior unrelated conviction for an offense under this section concerning the same victim; or
                          (D) the threat is communicated using property, including electronic equipment or systems, of a school corporation or other governmental entity; and
                          (2) Class C felony if, while committing it, the person draws or uses a deadly weapon.
                          (c) "Threat" means an expression, by words or action, of an intention to:
                          (1) unlawfully injure the person threatened or another person, or damage property;
                          (2) unlawfully subject a person to physical confinement or restraint;
                          (3) commit a crime;
                          (4) unlawfully withhold official action, or cause such withholding;
                          (5) unlawfully withhold testimony or information with respect to another person's legal claim or defense, except for a reasonable claim for witness fees or expenses;
                          (6) expose the person threatened to hatred, contempt, disgrace, or ridicule;
                          (7) falsely harm the credit or business reputation of the person threatened; or
                          (8) cause the evacuation of a dwelling, a building, another structure, or a vehicle.
                          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

                          ------

                          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                          -John Wooden

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                          • #43
                            Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

                            Wow...this is a lot more serious than I originally thought. Crap.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail

                              Earlier today on The Drive JMV had a lawyer call in and say "A grand jury indictment means nothing. A prosecutor could get an indictment on a ham sandwich if he tried hard enough."

                              My guess is that the D.A. trots out only the witnesses that claimed to see the Pacers players do something, then ask the grand jury if they should go to trial. Of course, the jurors said yes.

                              I also don't see how the story fits. They're trying to claim that Tinsley threatened to kill a guy because he bumped into Tinsley while fighting a guy over some coats? And then Tinsley and Marquis and McLeod's relative beat the guy's ***?

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                              • #45
                                Re: Tinsley and Daniels to be booked in the county jail tonight

                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                I just wonder if every bar fight in the city of Indianapolis will go to a grand jury now. Is this a new policy and if so I simply don't see how the legal system can keep up with these and all the serious cases.
                                Those were my exact thoughts.

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