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  • #61
    Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

    Originally posted by Bball View Post
    I watched Hinch's live feed from the stands.... Hinch, Newgarden, Daly.... these guys would be any other sports' marketing dream. Great with fans, great on camera and on mic.... Unbelievable that Indycar doesn't tap into the opportunity for some self promotion featuring these guys.
    The impromptu autograph session in the stands might be the best PR for the rest of the season....
    That's the most frustrating part about the lack of IndyCar popularity. There are some really talented and likable drivers in this series.

    I don't think the cars and the predictable "sling shot" passes help. It can lead to some exciting moments, but I think the masses would prefer to see elite machines. Imagine the 1992 Unser Jr./Goodyear dual in these current cars. They would have kept exchanging sling shot passes with the rest of the pack right behind him. Instead, they dusted everyone else and Goodyear was never able to catch him because even though both had elite machines, Unser was able to block him. It looks too much like NASCRAP nowadays with all of the pack draft racing.
    Last edited by Sollozzo; 06-12-2016, 09:04 AM.

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    • #62
      Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
      I don't think the cars and the predictable "sling shot" passes help
      I've thought this for a while myself. It's great every once and a while. And when you're in the middle of watching a race it's exciting... but race after race it starts feeling contrived.

      Indy didn't become the biggest race in the world by slingshot passes. And I don't think people went to a race expecting a shootout. That's what made them special when they happened (like Johncock/Mears or Unser/Goodyear). Or even Mears/Andretti when Mears decided it was time to go and made THE pass that ultimately was for his 4th win. That is why the last two passes for the lead of that race stand out (Andretti around Mears.... and then Mears' payback and checking out...) were so special. They weren't swapping to be swapping all race. They meant something.
      I'm not sure if the new generation of fans now expects this leapfrog stuff or not. A lot of people seemed to be fine seeing Rossi strategize to the win so maybe all hope is not lost that it now has to be lead swapping duels the entire race with the idea of just being in the top 5 for the last 10 laps to position yourself for that last lap pass and hope it will stick.
      It's manufactured racing... whether it's what fans want or not is another question. I think they probably do want it... up until they realize it's every race and then it starts feeling contrived.
      Of course that is better than the pre-DW12 pack racing that just kept feeling more illogically dangerous as time went on, versus exciting.

      That said... that last Fontana race was pretty exciting and it was a little bit of both. Probably because it was not a regular occurrence at Fontana is what made it work.
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      • #63
        Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

        Newgarden is L U C K Y !!
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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        • #64
          Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

          How he survived that is a testament to the science that goes into every aspect of safety in auto racing today.

          Having him be able to walk away after being driven head first into the wall is astonishing.

          As of 6:00 the radar is showing rain in the area. If it stops in an hour they might be able to shoot for a 10 to 10:30 restart. Being optimistic I know.

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          • #65
            Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

            Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
            How he survived that is a testament to the science that goes into every aspect of safety in auto racing today.

            Having him be able to walk away after being driven head first into the wall is astonishing.

            As of 6:00 the radar is showing rain in the area. If it stops in an hour they might be able to shoot for a 10 to 10:30 restart. Being optimistic I know.
            To quote the GPS "Recalculating"

            Gonna be rescheduled for Aug 27th.... Not later tonight. Not tomorrow. Not next weekend. August 27th..... Well... Ok then... I guess...
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            • #66
              Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

              Totally don't agree with them re-starting with lap 72 after an 11 week delay.

              Teams were on vastly different strategies. Everyone will start with fresh tires and a full tank. That's going to help some, hurt others and more than likely make more than a few upset.

              I would much prefer a complete restart with Daly and Newgarden on the grid

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              • #67
                Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

                Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                Totally don't agree with them re-starting with lap 72 after an 11 week delay.

                Teams were on vastly different strategies. Everyone will start with fresh tires and a full tank. That's going to help some, hurt others and more than likely make more than a few upset.

                I would much prefer a complete restart with Daly and Newgarden on the grid
                I'm going to need to hear some arguments both ways, including from the teams themselves, before I can really have a position. One thing I thought about was they could at least take away the yellow flag laps since those didn't really do anything but waste green flag racing for the rescheduled event. But then, you have to factor in pitstops that took place under yellow. I'm not sure how many laps were run at the end of the yellow that didn't feature a pitstop. Or didn't feature a pitstop that mattered (IOW, if you're diving in from last place and rejoining in last place then that stop doesn't matter). But any positions that shuffled under pitting shouldn't be negated just to add green flag laps to the rescheduled race.

                Then you also have this issue: Do you make all the risk of those 72 laps (particularly up to the point that the wreck happened) not mean anything? Were those just wasted laps and risk if you restart the race and don't have those laps count?

                And where do you place Newgarden and Daly on the grid? In the back? Where they qualified? Where they were last scored just before the accident?

                Meanwhile, by the time this race rolls around again the engines will be at different points in their lifecycles. Maybe even new engines by then. And the cars certainly won't be in the same condition they were in on lap 72. Normally, at a red flag you can't work on your car. Dixon, for example, had his front wing hit by debris and had debris hit his suspension. Either could've been hurt by that. Now it will be fixed no matter what. Pit strategies will be negated. Everyone (I would think) will be able to restart on new tires and a full tank of fuel (I seriously doubt Indycar confiscated tires from the cars, marked them, or paid attention to fuel levels).

                That all said.... Waiting until August, after losing Sunday, probably helps fans to comeback. Fans that couldn't stay for Sunday, let alone come on a workday, now have a couple of months to make new plans to make a trip to TMS. There's even time to re-promote and sell more tickets besides those who will have rain-date tickets. But it'll be a shorter race so maybe not as enticing for new ticket sales or for people already holding rain-date tix to spend money to return to TMS from long distances to see a shortened race.

                Of course, this assumes the teams were happy to go with this plan versus the expense of coming back in a couple of months.

                One thing that hit me in all of these ramblings.... Maybe there's a middleground. Who says they can't count the first 72 laps, restart with cars in those positions, and ADD to the race distance to make it more of a real standalone event for the return? Of course that leaves the conundrum of some teams able to work on their cars with no penalty and Joseph and Connor either out of the race or already the several laps down that they lost while the race was under yellow.

                So in summary... Not sure how I feel about a restarted race, months later. I guess the real answer is, no answer will be 100% satisfactory so they are just going to have to make the best of it. Heck, they could even ADD a race and have a "Texas Dual" if it was for bang for buck for the fans.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                -John Wooden

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                • #68
                  Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

                  Sounds like they are wanting to do right by the fans and the rulebook and are not 100% certain on how they will handle the rain date. But it does look like a total restart of the race is off the table.

                  http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/13...-on-texas-frye
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • #69
                    Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

                    They have a couple months to come up with a solution but I think they've really painted themselves into a corner on this one.

                    No matter what they do, some team(s) will not be happy.

                    I'd be for re-qualifying and starting a new race.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

                      Sollozzo:
                      Doug Boles on some of those areas of unsold 'seats' for the 500:

                      "South Vista lower sections do not have seats. What you see in the overhead is the platform or decking where the seats used to be. Those lower 10 rows were removed because the view is less desirable lower and from a safety standpoint. H stand lower seats have not been sold for several years (the view is difficult from there). We discussed re-adding seats this year, but chose to only re-add seats in the lower rows of the northern portion of Tower Terrace (we added about 2,000 this year for the 500)."
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • #71
                        Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

                        Originally posted by Bball View Post
                        Sollozzo:
                        Doug Boles on some of those areas of unsold 'seats' for the 500:

                        "South Vista lower sections do not have seats. What you see in the overhead is the platform or decking where the seats used to be. Those lower 10 rows were removed because the view is less desirable lower and from a safety standpoint. H stand lower seats have not been sold for several years (the view is difficult from there). We discussed re-adding seats this year, but chose to only re-add seats in the lower rows of the northern portion of Tower Terrace (we added about 2,000 this year for the 500)."

                        They weren't "removed"....they are still there. They just chose not to sell them. Still don't understand the "safety standpoint" argument considering the bottom of all the other areas is sold. Besides, isn't the bottom probably the safest place to be? If some debris ever shot up it would likely clear the fence and land much higher up than those seats. It just looks weird and I'm guessing most if not all would have sold this year.

                        Again, they really wanted to run with the "first sold out Indy 500 in history!" narrative. It was just the first time they decided that it was the first sold out 500.....they could have sold more if they wanted. This in no way shape or form was the most attended 500 ever, which is why the "sold out!" stuff is a bit misleading. This was all about building up hype for the event, which I understand to a point.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

                          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                          They weren't "removed"....they are still there.
                          You might want to check the satellite photos over the South Vista.... It's pretty noticeable that those seats are gone.

                          Still don't understand the "safety standpoint" argument considering the bottom of all the other areas is sold. Besides, isn't the bottom probably the safest place to be? If some debris ever shot up it would likely clear the fence and land much higher up than those seats.
                          I hate to be morbid, but that can be explained easily: Tony Renna. That's all you need to know.
                          Last edited by Sandman21; 06-16-2016, 09:49 PM.
                          "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                          "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                          • #73
                            Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

                            Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                            You might want to check the satellite photos over the South Vista.... It's pretty noticeable that those seats are gone.



                            I hate to be morbid, but that can be explained easily: Tony Renna. That's all you need to know.
                            The seats are still there, just put your google map man on the track and you can clearly see them. I sat at the top of the south vista and passed over them multiple times when going back and forth to the seats. A couple of spectators set on them for a minute.

                            The Tony Renna thing doesn't explain it at all because that happened in Turn 3. Also, the vague information out there seems to indicate that the damage from that spread far deeper in the stands than the closed off sections of the South Vista. It could have theoretically happened in any section of the track, but why is the South Vista the only place where they don't sell seats at the bottom, when the South Vista wasn't even the scene of the accident? I think it's because for years, demand was so low that they decided to close the entire area because it gave the appearance that was deliberately closed, which looked less embarrassing then a few people sporadically mixed in those lower rows.

                            Regarding the Renna crash, few things in history have been swept under the rug like that. Just one of many vicious airborne accidents that have plagued this series for so many years. What in the hell happened there?
                            Last edited by Sollozzo; 06-17-2016, 07:53 AM.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

                              Finishing the Texas race August 27th, hmm. May have to check out the feasibility of a weekend road trip.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Indycar 2016 Season Thread

                                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                                The seats are still there, just put your google map man on the track and you can clearly see them. I sat at the top of the south vista and passed over them multiple times when going back and forth to the seats. A couple of spectators set on them for a minute.
                                The Street View photos are also 5 years old. Trackforum has pictures showing those seats are gone, just the risers remain. IIRC, Mike Conway's accident during the race where he got airborne was the final straw, even though that again was in the North shortchute.

                                http://www.trackforum.com/forums/sho...en-one-and-two


                                The Tony Renna thing doesn't explain it at all because that happened in Turn 3. Also, the vague information out there seems to indicate that the damage from that spread far deeper in the stands than the closed off sections of the South Vista. It could have theoretically happened in any section of the track, but why is the South Vista the only place where they don't sell seats at the bottom, when the South Vista wasn't even the scene of the accident? I think it's because for years, demand was so low that they decided to close the entire area because it gave the appearance that was deliberately closed, which looked less embarrassing then a few people sporadically mixed in those lower rows.
                                The lower rows of the North Vista are also set further back from the track than they are in the South Vista. You can see this in the Google Maps Satellite view.

                                Regarding the Renna crash, few things in history have been swept under the rug like that. Just one of many vicious airborne accidents that have plagued this series for so many years. What in the hell happened there?
                                I really hate going into this, but from the stories I've heard over the years, there's a pretty good reason why IMS and Indycar didn't let that report get out. If that had happened during the 500...... I don't even want to think about it.

                                If IMS doesn't think those seats are safe enough to sell them, then they don't need to sell them.
                                Last edited by Sandman21; 06-17-2016, 08:57 AM.
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