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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

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  • #16
    Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

    If Reggie Miller had a Scottie Pippen by his side (And I think there is a growing opinion that Reggie was much better than Scottie) then how many championships would have Reggie Miller won? I believe that championships are not the ultimate measure. On some level, you are the product of your circumstances. Barkley, Miller, and Ewing never played on the caliber of teams that Jordan did. Ergo, while Jordan is the greatest, there may be some who could have ascended to a higher level if they had been able to play on better teams.

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    • #17
      Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

      Here's the point. It's not ridiculous to say, right now, that Kobe's had a better career than LeBron. I agree with MJ on that, and that's how I took it when I saw the clip. I also don't have a problem with LeBron's response either.

      But LeBron has more years to play than Kobe does. If LeBron gets 4 titles at relatively the same production, than I think you go with LeBron over Kobe. But if LeBron only wins one more, or none, than you probably go with Kobe. You don't know yet though.

      It is ridiculous to say, right now, that Kobe is better than LeBron. That's not what I took from Jordan's comments though.

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      • #18
        Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

        In my opinion, the measure of Kobe Bryant is not limited by his contribution to championship teams and record books, but the drama he has been a part of for two decades. Kobe Bryant is not a team player. I think the question that should be asked about Kobe Bryant is not, "How many did he win?" but "How many more could he have won?" if he had been a better teammate. Furthermore, Kobe Bryant was not the best player on multiple championship teams. We forget that Kobe Bryant played with Shaquille O'Neal who was one of the most dominant players of all time.

        Michael Jordan has always been a renowned jerk, his comments should be taken with great moderation.

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        • #19
          Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

          Originally posted by 1984 View Post
          If Reggie Miller had a Scottie Pippen by his side (And I think there is a growing opinion that Reggie was much better than Scottie) then how many championships would have Reggie Miller won? I believe that championships are not the ultimate measure. On some level, you are the product of your circumstances. Barkley, Miller, and Ewing never played on the caliber of teams that Jordan did. Ergo, while Jordan is the greatest, there may be some who could have ascended to a higher level if they had been able to play on better teams.
          In what world outside of Pacerville is there a growing opinion that Reggie Miller was greater than Scottie Pippen?

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          • #20
            Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

            I won't compare careers because obviously at this point point Kobe's>LBJ's, BUT just going off skill level and the player themselves, I would take current Lebron over prime Kobe.
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            • #21
              Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

              Some of you if not most may know Haralabob. I think his tweet sums it up perfectly, "Why does anyone care that MJ would take Kobe over Lebron? You guys are aware of MJ's draft and trading record right?"

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              • #22
                Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

                Originally posted by shags View Post
                This is only LeBron's 10th year. How could he have 15 rings?
                Because he's LeBron Freaking James /green
                Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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                • #23
                  Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

                  Originally posted by mattie View Post
                  HAHA beautiful.

                  James just killed MJ. Everything he said is true. And I'll say the same thing I told my cousin last night when he repeated MJ's comments. Of course MJ would say Kobe is better. Because at the end of the day, no rational person could EVER say Kobe is the player MJ was. It's a stupid debate. MJ is flat out better than Kobe in every possible aspect of the game.

                  The problem with admitting LBJ's greatness? LBJ is quicker, stronger, more athletic, a better defender, a better passer than MJ ever was. At the end of his career we'll probably all say LBJ was the greatest to play the game.

                  MJ is imtimidated by LBJ. And he should be. LBJ already has a ring at a younger age than MJ, so he could possibly end up with as many rings as well. (which would just be nuts if he was able to pull that off as well)
                  Damn you really don't like MJ do you? I get the whole Pacers/Bulls rivalry, but LeBron has a ton of work to do to even think about being at MJ's level let alone surpassing it. Even this streak that LBJ is on now, its nothing compared to what MJ did back in 89' with the ten triple doubles in eleven games.

                  I think people forget about how good Jordan actually was. Dude averaged 30ppg for his career even with his last two seasons on the Wizards. He left two rings on the table when he went to play baseball as well.

                  I think LeBron is a ridiculously good basketball player. And will go down as one of the best ever. But damn man, he's no MJ. No one is.

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                  • #24
                    Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

                    Michael Jordan saying that he'll choose Kobe against James is really a compliment to James. You know how well MJ evaluates talent you know...

                    Seriously, I think it affected LeBron somehow because MJ's picking is really flawed (looking at the number of rings), and LeBron no doubt admires Jordan more than any other former greats. And what James said is true in that rings do not define greatness or who's better than, but of course it is still every great player's goal at the end of the day. Basketball is a game of 5 vs. 5 on the court, so championships need more than just one great player to achieve that, even as great as Jordan is he'll basically admit that.

                    As for Kobe, he's a great player but I will not even put him in the top 10 (maybe he'll crack top 20 but that's a maybe). His 1st 3 rings he was 2nd fiddle next to a dominant Shaq, and he also had great teammates as well that saved them in critical situations (Robert Horry vs. the Kings for example). And his antics against Shaq contributed in a way for the Lakers to fall apart. Then made threats to leave or be traded when he just can't win without Shaw. Then he just got lucky that in exchange for scrubs he got a great teammate in Pau Gasol to bow down to him to salvage his career as a future GOAT candidate next to Jordan. And he almost didn't get his 5th ring because he was laying eggs in game 7 (and he attempted so much to almost bury his team to ground). I just can't consider a guy like that better than James.

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                    • #25
                      Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

                      Originally posted by 15th parallel View Post
                      Then he just got lucky that in exchange for scrubs he got a great teammate in Pau Gasol to bow down to him to salvage his career as a future GOAT candidate next to Jordan. And he almost didn't get his 5th ring because he was laying eggs in game 7 (and he attempted so much to almost bury his team to ground). I just can't consider a guy like that better than James.
                      Wouldn't call Marc Gasol a scrub, at this point in their careers, Marc seems to be the more dominant player.

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                      • #26
                        Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

                        Lebron is one of the realest dudes in the NBA. If you ask him a question, he will answer it. So much better than the LeBron who cared what others thought about him.
                        There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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                        • #27
                          Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

                          Originally posted by immortality View Post
                          Wouldn't call Marc Gasol a scrub, at this point in their careers, Marc seems to be the more dominant player.
                          Okay, not really meant to call Marc Gasol a scrub (it was for Kwame btw), but let me rephrase that to a scrub and an unproven player.

                          And Marc is a better big man right now against Pau no doubt, but Pau was a better player at the same time in the league as Marc right now. So I'll still call it a lopsided trade for the Lakers.

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                          • #28
                            Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

                            Originally posted by immortality View Post
                            Wouldn't call Marc Gasol a scrub, at this point in their careers, Marc seems to be the more dominant player.
                            He was a scrub during the trade. If I remember correctly, when they traded him he was simply a 2nd round pick that had never played in the NBA.
                            Originally posted by Piston Prince
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                            • #29
                              Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

                              The best thing is that sports are performed in a bubble where each player is totally isolated from each other. No team ever won anything due to who they played, or matchups, or teammates, or travel, or injury, or coaching. Pretty much if you are better than another player of "equal" talent then you'll always beat them. That's how it works. This is why Vegas went out of the Sports Book business.

                              Also there is this great "switch on" moment where s****y players like Lebron instantly get a lot better just as the final minute of a title series clinching game tick off. You can see it, like a bolt of lightening where they instantly become a lot better. Prior to that they were dogs***, but then the hand of God reaches down, changes their actual physical structure, and denotes this by placing a ring on their finger. Magic.



                              See, no player ever made a teammate better. No defender ever hurt or helped an opponent. No scheme ever had any impact on a game. It's just not that complex. Sports is probably the most black and white, obvious, merit based system ever invented.






                              Having said that (sarcastically), Lebron is still an overprivileged, flopping douche. I don't fault him on rings, I fault him on on-court attitude and behavior in some prior tough moments (like giving up).

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                              • #30
                                Re: LeBron James Scrutiny | "Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time."

                                Before I use to have a strong opinion on who the greatest ever is but as time goes on I just think its impossible to say. Yet so many people believe MJ is the greatest ever and I think that is unfair to Bird, Kareem. Magic, Wilt, Russel, and even guys like Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, and Jerry West. Almost all the people who say MJ is the greatest ever can't even remember watching guys before MJ play if they were even born then. I have always found it crazy when people just forget about all of these great players who came before MJ.

                                I think MJ has brought up a good point in saying the competition was tougher in his era. Less teams = better teams and you have to remember it use to be that you could be a physical defender, not so much the case anymore. However I think that Lebron makes valid points about MJ. I don't know if there was any coach besides Phil who could have got through to MJ in order to win and Scott Pippen was the PERFECT star to pair with MJ.

                                When it comes to Lebron vs Kobe its really hard to say. One thing about Lebron is there has NEVER been a player like him before. He is a once in a lifetime type of talent. He has his faults and all but even I can appreciate what he brings to basketball.

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