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Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

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  • #46
    Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

    "Bad Lance" better rear his head less and less often. That will determine whether or not he becomes a great player in this league earning respect...or just another losing type of talent like J.R. Smith. It is truly up to him.

    At the same time, the Pacers better study him like he's a final exam. We don't need another Artest to destroy the franchise. With that said, I am a huge Lance supporter. I just know that "bad Lance" takes away from his game and his team.

    Edit: having flashbacks of good and bad Tinsley...

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    • #47
      Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

      Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
      Meh, yes and no. He was great most of the game but into the 4th he started playing for stats doing just really stupid stuff. It was a blowout so it wasn't a big deal but I'm never a fan of playing for numbers. Honestly wasn't a big fan of his body language when Frank pulled him. I mean, I know it looks nice in a box score, but does a triple double you have to manufacture really count?
      To piggy-back VideoVandel....I think that Lance does pay attention to his Stats. I'd hope that Vogel and Bird are able to help reign him in....because I'm hoping that he doesn't become a Stat-Stuffer or the guy that showboats at the detriment of the Team. Clearly, Vogel didn't like it given his comments.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • #48
        Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        "Bad Lance" better rear his head less and less often. That will determine whether or not he becomes a great player in this league earning respect...or just another losing type of talent like J.R. Smith. It is truly up to him.

        At the same time, the Pacers better study him like he's a final exam. We don't need another Artest to destroy the franchise. With that said, I am a huge Lance supporter. I just know that "bad Lance" takes away from his game and his team.

        Edit: having flashbacks of good and bad Tinsley...
        Yeah, you're right. I'm still a bit nervous about what might change when we give him a big, long term contract this summer. Or if someone makes him an offer he can't refuse to leave Indiana, God help that franchise if they don't have the support structure in place, the winning culture in place, that this team does. If some bad franchise pays him to be 'the man' for them (like, say, Charlotte or something)... ouch. I'm not sure that will work out well in the long run.

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        • #49
          Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

          Originally posted by Miller_time04 View Post
          You guys have to look at it as Lance has been making pennies the last two years compared to other starters. So at least from Lances perspective I'm sure he knows that the better his stats are this year and the more triple doubles and the more highlight plays he gets all equals more money for him next year. Which may not be the best thing for us, but certainly is for him and his families future.
          You are right here....Lance is in a contract year...so I know that he has to do his best to perform and show potential future employers what he can do so that he can earn as much as he can.

          I guess that he has to do his best to walk the thin line between showcasing his skills and doing what is best for the Team.

          IMHO...I am very sure that he has played himself into the $7 to 8 mil a year range...and likely still going up. His Market value maybe $7+ mil...but I guarantee you that some team will overpay him.
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          • #50
            Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

            Edit: having flashbacks of good and bad Tinsley...
            At least last night I think the team was trying to get Lance the shots and points to get his triple double.... Unlike Bad Tinsley in Phoenix who was on his own little mission (that I will never understand) and had no regard for the team and what they wanted.
            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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            • #51
              Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

              Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
              Are you implying that he needed be told he was a 3 shy? Lol Lance knew exactly what he needed for a triple double.
              I think the idea wasn't to inform Lance of his stat line... It was just saying to call a time out and set something up for Lance and let him know this was a structured chance to get his triple double, the team and coaches are behind him to do it, but then he was going to pull him because the game was won and we didn't need him getting hurt or make it look like they were disrespecting the other team/game in the process.

              Also, I don't necessarily have a problem with a player checking his stats in game. The problem comes when he and he alone decides to try and pad them versus just playing the game. IOW, if an assist presents itself in the flow of the game and the player makes it and wants to sneak a peek at his stat to see what he'd accomplished so far...fine.

              Lance was forcing the issue at the end for points, but I got the feeling that his teammates wanted him to go for those 5 points to complete the milestone. The game otherwise was decided. So I didn't get the impression his teammates had a problem with what he was doing. No different than when a bench guy comes in to mop up at the end of the game and the guys try to get him a basket and want him to shoot.
              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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              • #52
                Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                The team was really good at times last night, Lance had a few highlights, but why everyone is creaming over a guy who had 10 ast and 8 turnover, that is 1 more turnover then the rest of the team combined, is beyond me.
                I understand he is talented, but his facial expressions on the bench when Vogel pulled him were not what i like to see, i have seen Artest, I have seen Tinsley

                as for his value, as long as he shows the boneheaded Lance so often (and yes i know only half a game at a time, which is still half a game to much) his value is nowhere near what you all think, at least not for the Pacers.
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                • #53
                  Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                  I hope that Bad Lance does drive the overall Lance pricetag down. The cheaper his next contract is, assuming we're the ones giving it to him, the better, both for our team salary and hopefully in regards to any potential ego or behavioral issues. I don't necessarily think there's going to be a problem, but it's true I'm mild-moderately concerned about it at times.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                    Yeah, you're right. I'm still a bit nervous about what might change when we give him a big, long term contract this summer. Or if someone makes him an offer he can't refuse to leave Indiana, God help that franchise if they don't have the support structure in place, the winning culture in place, that this team does. If some bad franchise pays him to be 'the man' for them (like, say, Charlotte or something)... ouch. I'm not sure that will work out well in the long run.
                    He really does scare me. Hibbert and George are fixtures. So is George Hill. If Lance matures and meets potential, we could possibly have a little Spurs dynasty here. But if he creates problems, we will take a step back. Lance really is the X Factor for this team. We could trade him for another player, but I doubt we get the same talent in return...and I think we need that talent to get over the hump. I suppose with any big reward comes a load of risk.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      I hope that Bad Lance does drive the overall Lance pricetag down. The cheaper his next contract is, assuming we're the ones giving it to him, the better, both for our team salary and hopefully in regards to any potential ego or behavioral issues. I don't necessarily think there's going to be a problem, but it's true I'm mild-moderately concerned about it at times.
                      Look the thing about Lance is he is entertaining. Even when he is playing bad he is a must see player. The goal of some teams is to draw revenue and make money. Lance is the type of player that people want to see and will pay to see. I believe he will get paid by a really bad team a lot of money. I mean in a market where OJ Mayo gets 8m per year and guys like Marcus Thortan get the same. A guy like Lance who can do what those players do and then much more(defend and pass ). I find it hard to imagine he wont get a hefty pay day. Many GMs will think in a bigger role he will do even more. IMO Lance is a poor mans Iggy who is only 22 who could blossom into an all star caliber player in time. IMO that makes him super attractive on the FA market. He keeps getting better every month I mean he may become our 2nd option offensively before the end of the season. He West and PG24 are the best creators on the team. Best case scenario for us is he only gets like 8m a year he is on the cusp IMO of pricing himself out of our range. He deserves it though I hope he keeps it up and gets a big contract(hopefully with us somehow) As a person who bought a Lance jersey the moment they were in stock and a huge supporter of his when many though he shouldn't be in the league I am happy he has shown people can change. He has always been one of my favorite players to watch going back to his HS days. I hope he spends his whole career in a Pacer uni but I feel that may be easier said than done with how much $$ we have on the books.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                        When you put it like that, I don't believe we're going to be able to afford him.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                          The only thing that helps us is that alot of those teams that could afford him are really bad right now and might not want to sign somebody for that much who might hamper the development of their draft picks.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                            Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                            The only thing that helps us is that alot of those teams that could afford him are really bad right now and might not want to sign somebody for that much who might hamper the development of their draft picks.
                            Is that a real worry? Dear lord that would be the last of my concerns. (unless we are talking about poor fits Like Lance playing with MCW wouldnt be ideal they play a lot a like, although I bet it would work out)


                            Lance will be the same age as Brandon Roy when Brandon Roy was a rookie(when he becomes a FA). I don't see how you can call a 23 year old (the age of some draft players stunting growth of rookie teammates). Lance would be brought in to play with rookies and make them better.

                            You need talent in this league to win, most rebuilding teams would be smart to get a young guy like Lance. It would be like adding another top #10 pick who is NBA ready to the team. But I hope you are right and teams shy away from Lance because he will hurt other development . I am in the complete oppoiste view I believe Lance improves the players around him so he would help other get better quicker.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                              Yeah I don't think we ll be able to afford him unless we go over the LT.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                                Bad Lance doesn't exist that much anymore really IMO.

                                Anyway I thought Vogel made the rigth move, Lance got a ton of love too


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