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Odd Thoughts: Being gored by the Bulls

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  • Odd Thoughts: Being gored by the Bulls

    We just honestly need the regular season to be over. Hope that the week off till the first round opener refreshes the team and they can figure out some form of offense.

    This ending has been an absolute train wreck.

    Regular season games are really never must wins unless somehow if you win or lose determines if you make the playoffs or not, but this home game vs. the Heat Wednesday is as close to a must win game as you can get. If we lose then there is one game separating us and Miami and we have to go there to play the following week. Anyone feel confident that we can go there and get a win? Me neither.

    In reading the post game thread I am at least happy to see that most people are not making excuses for the team. The last thing I wanted to see tonight is how we were tired or any other form of excuse. We are playing a team that has been decimated by injuries and a lopsided trade that sent away their best player not to mention that most nights they go 7 or 8 deep so their starters play more min a game than ours for the most part.

    No, we just got beat.

    As normal we will salute the Bulls, they were ready for us and they just flat out beat us. They hustled more, they were mentally prepared and what has been a common theme here recently they were just plain tougher than we were. Tom Thibodeau is the coach of the year IMO.

    Let’s talk about us and this won’t take long.

    What has been my one overall theme since I’ve returned? We have no one who will/can night in and night out hit an open jump shot from outside the paint. What happened once again in this game? We have no one who can hit a shot from outside the paint and once again we allowed a great interior defensive team to pack the paint and just dare us to score, which of course we couldn’t.

    Our team shot 37% from the field however if you just go with George, West, Hibbert & Stephenson they combined to go 31% from the field. You are not going to beat any NBA team if 4 of your 5 starters shoot 31% from the field.

    I can’t put it any more plainly than this, if we can’t get someone to hit a face up jumper or to hit a curl screen jumper we are just dead in the water.

    Sure we would all agree with Roy that we need to look inside first however the problem is that team are just doubling the ball in the paint because the do not fear anyone on our team on a consistent basis to burn them.

    I don’t know how to fix this btw, I am beginning to think we are cursed and have offended some form of ancient deity because whoever comes to our team loses the ability over time to shoot. David West missed what, the first 50 shots he took tonight before he finally got one to drop and this guy was known as the 17’ assassin before he got here.

    Paul George is as consistent as an epileptic chicken, Roy Hibbert is Roy Hibbert, Lance is steady but obviously there is chemistry issues with him and the other players and George Hill actually decided to show up tonight but he can’t be counted on every night.

    Missing C.J. Watson hurts (not nearly as much as missing Derrick Rose does for the Bulls so this is zero excuse for this game) as he is a guard who can moderately be counted on to hit a shot.

    Scola obviously used his entire payload on Friday and that’s about it.

    Look guys our defense for the most part is fine. Our offense is beyond a joke.

    So to wrap up this portion of our program let me just reiterate. Luis Scola hits outside shots on Friday vs. the Bulls and it opens up the floor and we win. Nobody can hit any form of outside shot with consistency tonight and we basically lost this game in the first 2 min. of the 3rd quarter.

    BTW, Taj Gibson for the most part, owns us. He had a horrible night Friday (thanks mostly to Luis making him move on defense) but he ruled with an iron fist tonight.

    Also whatever happened to us being a tough physical team? Those days are so long gone that I don’t even remember them.

    While I’m pondering let me ponder this, and this really goes into Uncle Bucks thoughts and I know you are still reading this (you know who you are) but I wonder if trading Danny Granger didn’t disrupt team chemistry more than it helped the on court production? Don’t get me wrong on the floor there have been times where Turner has far outplayed what Danny brought & by no means am I naïve enough to believe that he would have been a game changer because our struggles started when he was still here. But I wonder if he wasn’t more of a glue guy in the locker room who could get along with anyone?

    What this team could use now more than his outside shot (if it ever falls again) is an injection of the old Danny Granger fire and passion where he wanted to fight whoever was on the opposite side of the court. These guys are all now friendly and soft.

    Bah, let’s just do grades and be done with this.

    Paul George: C

    That’s being generous in my opinion. Look even the great ones have bad games but the truly great ones do not go on 1-2 month slumps. Honestly I just want to see him get angry at something (well besides the referee’s) and then do something about it. Reggie Miller played at a whole other level when he got mad, Danny Granger played at another level when he got mad. Paul George on the other hand just flows like a twig on the shoulders of a mighty stream. Nothing ever bothering him, other than a referee

    David West: C

    Finally started hitting but by that time it was to late. Left several good looks on the floor at the beginning of the game and it cost us several chances to build on an early lead. Just got worked by Gibson all night long. To his credit he did at least try and battle inside and got no help from anyone.

    Roy Hibbert: F

    Soft as a baby’s @ss.

    Lance Stephenson: D

    Was not effective on offense tonight and had a horrible defensive game. When you get worked by Mike Dunleavy you need to re-evaluate your game.

    George Hill: B

    Well at least he showed up tonight, however I’m not feeling generous or the need to dispense needless compliments so I’ll just say he managed to defend DJ Augustine very well.

    I can’t go on

    The bench as a whole is just going to get a collective D.

    I know things look bleak, and they are don’t kid yourself. But if for some reason we can just manage to hold onto the # 1 spot we can at least assure ourselves to face the Hawks and have home court throughout, which may not be beyond the second round if things don’t change.

    It’s not time to throw in the towel but if you aren’t at least concerned with the play then you need to go into motivational speaking.

    This team doesn’t deserve any form of manly music so I’m just giving you the only thing I think that fits both Paul & Roy's game right now. In fact that opening dance sequence with the resulting laughter made me think of Roy's game tonight with both Noah & Gibson reaction to him.

    Last edited by Peck; 03-25-2014, 01:36 AM.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Our defense has shown up the past few games. That's at least one positive
    Last edited by Suaveness; 03-25-2014, 01:36 AM.
    Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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      Pacers losing their edge in the final stretches is concerning. Hope they can fix this before heading into the playoffs.

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        I put part of this on Bird. All the great teams have a guy who is practically automatic if left open. We need shooters on this team and Scola wasn't even close to the answer. Isn't it ironic that one of the best shooters in history can't find a consistent shooter for his team.
        Last edited by presto123; 03-25-2014, 01:44 AM.

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          Originally posted by presto123 View Post
          I put part of this on Bird. All the great teams have a guy who is practically automatic if left open. We need shooters on this team and Scola wasn't even close to the answer.
          See that's what's odd. For the first few months of the season he was. He was almost automatic from that elbow jumper and he made it so that our bench didn't lose any form of lead. Now however the starters never have a lead and we have to hope Luis can come in and do something. But since the beginning of the year he has not been able to do it.

          When we start looking at next season, hopefully at the end of June, we are going to have to address getting some form of sharp shooter.


          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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            Doesn't Copeland fill that role?
            Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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              Re: Odd Thoughts: Being gored by the Bulls

              Originally posted by Peck View Post

              While I’m pondering let me ponder this, and this really goes into Uncle Bucks thoughts and I know you are still reading this (you know who you are) but I wonder if trading Danny Granger didn’t disrupt team chemistry more than it helped the on court production? Don’t get me wrong on the floor there have been times where Turner has far outplayed what Danny brought & by no means am I naïve enough to believe that he would have been a game changer because our struggles started when he was still here. But I wonder if he wasn’t more of a glue guy in the locker room who could get along with anyone?

              What this team could use now more than his outside shot (if it ever falls again) is an injection of the old Danny Granger fire and passion where he wanted to fight whoever was on the opposite side of the court. These guys are all now friendly and soft.

              I've been beating this drum since day one. I truly hoped and wished that I was wrong, and that it would not turn out the way it has.

              But as yourself Peck and others are and have been noting lately... It seems my gut instinct on this might have been correct.

              One time I really, really hate being right about a 'feeling'.

              Hope we find a way to overcome it... It's happened, and there's nothing we can do but go forward.

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                Originally posted by TMJ31 View Post
                I've been beating this drum since day one. I truly hoped and wished that I was wrong, and that it would not turn out the way it has.

                But as yourself Peck and others are and have been noting lately... It seems my gut instinct on this might have been correct.

                One time I really, really hate being right about a 'feeling'.

                Hope we find a way to overcome it... It's happened, and there's nothing we can do but go forward.
                I did feel the same way because I always thought Danny, whether he's playing or not, has been that glue guy that helps handle the young guys. He's doing really great BTW in LAC so I'm happy for him.

                But I think the problem lies more with the losing cohesion between the starters. It's just not as strong as before. Are there some internal conflicts or tension that we don't know about?

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                  I agree with most of your post, Peck, but Jo Noah is clearly better than Deng. Noah is first team All NBA this year.


                  I do think perhaps the most under-the-radar story of this season is Bird's first real negative stretch as President. There has been so much talk about him going all out, even I called him a cold mother****er. But that near every move he has made has turned out either negative or ineffectual was not something I could have predicted or even conceived. You can talk about the chemistry falling apart. But so many of us believed and continue to believe completely in Larry, who has failed this season (playoffs pending of course).
                  You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Being gored by the Bulls

                    Originally posted by Peck View Post

                    While I’m pondering let me ponder this, and this really goes into Uncle Bucks thoughts and I know you are still reading this (you know who you are) but I wonder if trading Danny Granger didn’t disrupt team chemistry more than it helped the on court production? Don’t get me wrong on the floor there have been times where Turner has far outplayed what Danny brought & by no means am I naïve enough to believe that he would have been a game changer because our struggles started when he was still here. But I wonder if he wasn’t more of a glue guy in the locker room who could get along with anyone?

                    What this team could use now more than his outside shot (if it ever falls again) is an injection of the old Danny Granger fire and passion where he wanted to fight whoever was on the opposite side of the court. These guys are all now friendly and soft.
                    Danny went 2-3, hit his only 3, and went 4-4 from the line in 13 minutes tonight. His last game he went 5-9, hit all three of his 3's, hit his only foul shot in 15 min. NOW, he seems just what the Pacers need.

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                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Being gored by the Bulls

                      Originally posted by Peck View Post
                      In reading the post game thread I am at least happy to see that most people are not making excuses for the team. The last thing I wanted to see tonight is how we were tired or any other form of excuse. We are playing a team that has been decimated by injuries and a lopsided trade that sent away their best player not to mention that most nights they go 7 or 8 deep so their starters play more min a game than ours for the most part.

                      No, we just got beat.
                      Peck, no one made excuses for the Memphis lost either. We just got beat by Memphis in the same manner that we did to the Bulls. Saying that the Memphis game was a back-to-back isn't an excuse. It's a fact. Saying that this game was an away game isn't an excuse either. It's a fact as well.

                      Just because the game is a b2b or an away game that doesn't mean that we should lose. That's absolutely clear and I'm quite sure that most of the people that said it was a b2b didn't say that just because they think that we shouldn't win in b2bs. They just clarified that there's always a big chance that this particular team is going to lose the game on the back end of a b2b. That's all. That doesn't mean that it's a good thing. It's obviously a bad thing but it is also expected. That's why people mention that it's a b2b, imo.

                      The team doesn't need any excuses. We are playing bad basketball in March. Same applies to the Heat. It's as simple as that.
                      Originally posted by IrishPacer
                      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                        I also agree with your point that we need someone to hit an outside shot. We should run some PnP with Copeland as the screener. He can hit outside shots. If Scola is not hitting try him out. Or try Butler. In general, let's try several different looks. We have the weapons. One of them has got to work. It may not be the same one night in and night out but something must work eventually.
                        Originally posted by IrishPacer
                        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                          Peck, no one made excuses for the Memphis lost either. We just got beat by Memphis in the same manner that we did to the Bulls. Saying that the Memphis game was a back-to-back isn't an excuse. It's a fact. Saying that this game was an away game isn't an excuse either. It's a fact as well.

                          Just because the game is a b2b or an away game that doesn't mean that we should lose. That's absolutely clear and I'm quite sure that most of the people that said it was a b2b didn't say that just because they think that we shouldn't win in b2bs. They just clarified that there's always a big chance that this particular team is going to lose the game on the back end of a b2b. That's all. That doesn't mean that it's a good thing. It's obviously a bad thing but it is also expected. That's why people mention that it's a b2b, imo.

                          The team doesn't need any excuses. We are playing bad basketball in March. Same applies to the Heat. It's as simple as that.
                          Its an excuse if it does not acknowledge that Memphis was also on the back end of a back to back and had to play later, fly longer and arrive after we did.

                          Yes of course teams lose on back to backs. But I will adamantly disagree that the Memphis game was lost because we were on a back to back. Now if you want to say they had homecourt advantage then sure, but I'm not buying the back to back thing at all.


                          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
                            Doesn't Copeland fill that role?
                            He does but he doesn't get enough PT to perform this role.
                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                              Totally agree with Uncle Buck's assessment of recent events: the starting five has bad chemistry. The body language is despicable; the lack of fight is abundant; and the selfishness is self-evident.

                              I'm not sure which personalities are to blame, but I'd be least worried about Hill and West. Hibbert is pissing me off more than anyone not named Paul George. And because George is 23 and has unquestionably *shown* top-five talent in the early season, I think Hibbert incites more disgust because he does this every year at some point (although I don't think he's ever been this soft). But George is plenty to blame, and I hate his selfishness and stupid, lazy streaks. If being proclaimed a superstar has gone to his head, then he is in for some unpleasant news -- in addition to the events of his personal life.

                              What is disappointing is that the ideal backup center gives way more than the starting one, and he is out indefinitely. I never, ever thought I'd want Bynum more than Hibbert, but alas that is how I feel now. Naptown Seth perhaps wasn't jumping the gun when he compared this year to 2002-2003.

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