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  • #31
    Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

    They are not really saying much, it was expected anyway, just go back to last year trade deadline presser and is pretty much the same thing.
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    • #32
      Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

      I love Larry Bird joking at Mike Wells.

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      • #33
        Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

        So they're stressing "patience" and looking forward to next year's free agency?

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        • #34
          Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

          1st thing Larry said was "Okay, let's get Mike's ******** out of the way."

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          • #35
            Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Larry wants to have one of the best bench in the NBA.
            In other words, we aren't singing a big time free agent.

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            • #36
              Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

              I'm feeling that they'll try to sign d-west for a bargain, and then go for landry, saving their cap for trying to make a big splash in an FA market that has some real game changers.

              They won't max out nene or someone like that imo, and it's the right move.

              Getting landry or west would make our bench awesome, just like they said they want. The ideal move in my opinion would be signing west to an 8 or 9 million dollar deal if at all possible. Potentially a great contract, and if he's slowed down a little bit it's not too big of a hit over 4.

              The ability to bring off one of either hill or collison, and hansbrough or landry is something only elite teams really have the luxury of doing. Both would be among the best backups in the league. I have a sneaking suspicion that he may try to pull off a granger for gordon sign and trade next year. Allow the Clips to get grangers more affordable contract, so that they can sign someone huge without going too far over the cap, and let us max eric out and move Paul to the 3, who should be closer to being ready for that sort of thing.

              Just a theory.
              Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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              • #37
                Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                In other words, we aren't singing a big time free agent.
                If you sign a FA that plays the 4, you move Hans, who did start, to the bench. That would strengthen your bench.

                I don't know how you can conclude they're not going to sign anyone out of that quote. I don't know if they will or not, but that is a pretty open ended statement that can go a lot of directions.
                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                • #38
                  Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                  Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                  In other words, we aren't singing a big time free agent.
                  Not neccesarily true.

                  Signing West would move Tyler Hans to the bench, accomplishing that goal. Plus he would be cheaper, and still give us space for a max contract next year.

                  However people may think of west he's one of the premiere FA's in this weak class.

                  19-8 PF's don't grow on trees (provided he's all revved up and healthy to go)

                  Ourselves and new orleans seem to be the ones most interested in west. A weaker market for him means that we may be able to sign him for a relative steal, and if it becomes apparent they can't get paul to stay rumour has it that they won't be lookign to bring west back.
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                  • #39
                    Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                    Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                    In other words, we aren't singing a big time free agent.
                    It sounds to me like they are waiting for teams to offer them good players for salary cap, the problem is that many teams are going to have cap space, either because they are already under the cap or because of the amnesty, so yeah I don't see anything happen
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                    • #40
                      Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                      It sounds to me like they are waiting for teams to offer them good players for salary cap, the problem is that many teams are going to have cap space, either because they are already under the cap or because of the amnesty, so yeah I don't see anything happen
                      Amnesty players themselves are a possibility to pick up for pennies on the dollar.

                      Plus our cap space will make us premium candidates for a big move during the trade deadline, especially with new rules that open up trade possibilities as far as salary matching goes.
                      Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                      • #41
                        Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                        Originally posted by daschysta View Post
                        Amnesty players themselves are a possibility to pick up for pennies on the dollar.

                        Plus our cap space will make us premium candidates for a big move during the trade deadline, especially with new rules that open up trade possibilities as far as salary matching goes.
                        I understand this, the problem that I have is that I am hopping they aim higher, meaning that they should try to build a championship team not a second round playoffs exit team, let's say that the huge free agent we get this year is Dwest, is he really going to put the Pacers as one of the top teams in the east? top five maybe? top five for the next two or three years until he is done and Danny is like 34?
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                        • #42
                          Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                          Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                          In other words, we aren't singing a big time free agent.
                          I don't think that's what it necessarily means at all. If you sign a better starter, your old starter is now the backup, thus producing a deeper bench.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                            Originally posted by tora tora View Post
                            So they're stressing "patience" and looking forward to next year's free agency?
                            Yes, & kinda.
                            Patience is a key phrase for several reasons. In no order:
                            -The CBA is not official, & all the rules are not locked into place (amnesty, ect).
                            -We are young & have a new coaching staff & have not had a normal off season to monitor players.
                            -Now that we have cap space we are not going to run out & spend it all right away, fit is huge!
                            -Waiting to see if some teams want to shed salery & we can use our space to absorb a player we like.

                            And related, but more specific to the Next years FA's:
                            -We basically have the room for 2 max-type players, but no reason to use if the right player is not there.
                            -Next years FA class is much better then t/y's.
                            -Gives more time for teams to review their rosters, look to get under the cap.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                              Ok here is a list of next year free agents, other than Howard,CP3,Dwill and EJ I don't see anybody else that could put us over the top:

                              http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents/

                              Point Guard
                              (name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

                              Derrick Rose, Chicago Bulls – $7.0 million – Restricted ($9.1 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets – $16.4 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
                              Deron Williams, New Jersey Nets – $16.4 million – Player Option ($17.8 million)
                              Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City Thunder – $5.1 million – Restricted ($6.7 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Jrue Holiday, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.7 million – Team Option ($2.7 million)
                              Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns – $11.7 million – Unrestricted
                              Raymond Felton, Portland Trail Blazers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
                              Kirk Hinrich, Atlanta Hawks – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
                              Jason Kidd, Dallas Mavericks – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
                              Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets – $7.8 million – Unrestricted
                              Chauncey Billups, New York Knicks – $14.2 million – Unrestricted
                              Jameer Nelson, Orlando Magic – $7.8 million – Player Option ($7.8 million)
                              Toney Douglas, New York Knicks – $1.1 million – Team Option ($2.1 million)
                              D.J. Augustin, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.4 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks – $10.7 million – Unrestricted
                              Gilbert Arenas, Orlando Magic – $19.3 million – Early Termination Option ($20.8 million)
                              George Hill, Indiana Pacers – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Jordan Farmar, New Jersey Nets – $4.0 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
                              Leandro Barbosa, Toronto Raptors – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
                              Beno Udrih, Milwaukee Bucks – $7.0 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
                              Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Unrestricted*
                              Jerryd Bayless, Toronto Raptors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Derek Fisher, L.A. Lakers – $3.4 million – Player Option ($3.4 million)
                              Randy Foye, L.A. Clippers – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
                              Mo Williams, L.A. Clippers – $8.5 million – Player Option ($8.5 million)
                              Nate Robinson, Oklahoma City Thunder – $4.5 million – Unrestricted
                              Jonny Flynn, Houston Rockets – $3.4 million – Team Option ($4.3 million)
                              Keyon Dooling, Milwaukee Bucks – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
                              Greivis Vasquez, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.2 million)
                              Ishmael Smith, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Ramon Sessions, Cleveland Cavaliers – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.6 million)
                              Manny Harris, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Armon Johnson, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Sundiata Gaines, New Jersey Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
                              A.J. Price, Indiana Pacers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
                              Baron Davis, Cleveland Cavaliers – $13.9 million – Early Termination Option ($14.8 million)
                              Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
                              John Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.9 million – Unrestricted

                              Shooting Guard
                              (name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

                              Eric Gordon, L.A. Clippers – $3.8 million – Restricted ($5.1 million Qualifying Offer)
                              O.J. Mayo, Memphis Grizzlies – $5.6 million – Restricted ($7.4 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Evan Turner, Philadelphia 76ers – $5.0 million – Team Option ($5.3 million)
                              Gerald Henderson, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.3 million – Team Option ($3.1 million)
                              Ray Allen, Boston Celtics – $10.0 million – Unrestricted
                              Landry Fields, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Vince Carter, Phoenix Suns – $18.3 million – Unrestricted
                              Carlos Delfino, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
                              Louis Williams, Philadelphia 76ers – $5.2 million – Early Termination Option ($5.4 million)
                              Mickael Pietrus, Phoenix Suns – $5.3 million – Unrestricted
                              Courtney Lee, Houston Rockets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Rudy Fernandez, Dallas Mavericks – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Xavier Henry, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.2 million – Team Option ($2.3 million)
                              Damion James, New Jersey Nets – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)
                              C.J. Miles, Utah Jazz – $3.7 million – Unrestricted
                              Terrence Williams, Houston Rockets – $2.4 million – Team Option ($3.1 million)
                              Jodie Meeks, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
                              James Anderson, San Antonio Spurs – $1.5 million – Team Option ($1.6 million)
                              Matt Carroll, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.9 million – Early Termination Option ($3.5 million)
                              Eddie House, Miami HEAT – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
                              Brandon Rush, Indiana Pacers – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Jannero Pargo, Chicago Bulls – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
                              Stephen Graham, New Jersey Nets – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
                              Charlie Bell, Golden State Warriors – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
                              Alonzo Gee, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
                              Terrico White, Detroit Pistons – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Jeremy Lin, Golden State Warriors – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Danny Green, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*

                              Small Forward
                              (name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

                              Danilo Gallinari, Denver Nuggets – $4.2 million – Restricted ($5.6 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Gerald Wallace, Portland Trail Blazers – $10.5 million – Player Option ($10.5 million)
                              Nic Batum, Portland Trail Blazers – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Chase Budinger, Houston Rockets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
                              Sam Young, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
                              Matt Barnes, L.A. Lakers – $1.9 million – Unrestricted
                              Andres Nocioni, Philadelphia 76ers – $6.7 million – Team Option ($7.5 million)
                              Anthony Tolliver, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.1 million – Unrestricted
                              Donte’ Greene, Sacramento Kings – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Bill Walker, New York Knicks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
                              Devin Ebanks, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Dahntay Jones, Indiana Pacers – $2.7 million – Player Option ($2.9 million)
                              James Posey, Indiana Pacers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
                              Keith Bogans, Chicago Bulls – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
                              Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Joey Graham, Cleveland Cavaliers – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
                              Robert Vaden, Oklahoma City Thunder – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

                              Power Forward
                              (name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

                              Kevin Love, Minnesota Timberwolves – $4.6 million – Restricted ($6.1 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Kevin Garnett, Boston Celtics – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
                              Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
                              Michael Beasley, Minnesota Timberwolves – $6.3 million – Restricted ($8.2 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Brandon Bass, Orlando Magic – $4.0 million – Player Option ($4.0 million)
                              J.J. Hickson, Sacramento Kings – $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Elton Brand, Philadelphia 76ers – $17.1 million – Early Termination Option ($18.2 million)
                              Antawn Jamison, Cleveland Cavaliers – $15.1 million – Unrestricted
                              Jason Thompson, Sacramento Kings – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Marreese Speights, Philadelphia 76ers – $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.8 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Ryan Anderson, Orlando Magic – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
                              D.J. White, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Patrick Patterson, Houston Rockets – $2.0 million – Team Option ($2.1 million)
                              Anthony Randolph, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Ronny Turiaf, New York Knicks – $4.4 million – Unrestricted
                              Antonio McDyess, San Antonio Spurs – $5.2 million – Unrestricted
                              Boris Diaw, Charlotte Bobcats – $9.0 million – Unrestricted
                              Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee Bucks – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
                              Darrell Arthur, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Louis Amundson, Golden State Warriors – $2.4 million – Unrestricted
                              Jason Maxiell, Detroit Pistons – $5.0 million – Player Option ($5.0 million)
                              Jordan Hill, Houston Rockets – $2.9 million – Team Option ($3.6 million)
                              Craig Brackins, Phildelphia 76ers – $1.4 million – Team Option ($1.5 million)
                              Chris Johnson, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Derrick Caracter, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Austin Daye, Detroit Pistons – $1.9 million – Team Option ($3.0 million)
                              Brian Cook, L.A. Clippers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
                              Ian Mahinmi, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
                              Luke Harangody, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Magnum Rolle, Atlanta Hawks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

                              Center
                              (name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

                              Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic – $18.1 million – Early Termination Option ($19.5 million)
                              Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers – $14.9 million – Team Option ($16.1 million)
                              Brook Lopez, New Jersey Nets – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Chris Kaman, L.A. Clippers – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
                              Greg Monroe, Detroit Pistons – $3.0 million – Team Option ($3.2 million)
                              JaVale McGee, Washington Wizards – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Marcus Camby, Portland Trail Blazers – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
                              Robin Lopez, Phoenix Suns – $2.8 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
                              Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
                              Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
                              Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
                              Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
                              Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
                              Mehmet Okur, Utah Jazz – $10.9 million – Unrestricted
                              Earl Barron, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
                              Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Miami HEAT – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
                              Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic – $1.1 million – Team Option ($1.2 million)
                              Solomon Alabi, Toronto Raptors – $0.8 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
                              David Andersen, New Orleans Hornets – $2.7 million – Unrestricted*
                              Hasheem Thabeet, Houston Rockets – $5.1 million – Team Option ($6.5 million)
                              Kosta Koufos, Denver Nuggets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
                              DeSagana Diop, Charlotte Bobcats – $6.9 million – Player Option ($7.4 million)
                              Ryan Hollins, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
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                              • #45
                                Re: Bird presser 11 am tomorrow

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                Ok here is a list of next year free agents, other than Howard,CP3,Dwill and EJ I don't see anybody else that could put us over the top:

                                Magnum Rolle, Atlanta Hawks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
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