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Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

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  • #16
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

    Originally posted by BillS View Post
    Only was able to listen, not watch, but it sounded like they were executing on the floor just fine but missing every opportunity to score, including free throws.

    Dunno what you do for that other than play through it. That's at least what we'd tell an individual player going through a slump.
    Watching the game on TV, I think they regressed from the Dallas game with regards to how quickly they initiated the offense and the amount of player/ball movement.

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    • #17
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

      Originally posted by MAStamper View Post
      Watching the game on TV, I think they regressed from the Dallas game with regards to how quickly they initiated the offense and the amount of player/ball movement.
      True, but overall they still were getting good shots. They just weren't making them. Even all of Mahinmi's shots were good shots that he had been making all year until yesterday.

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      • #18
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
        True, but overall they still were getting good shots. They just weren't making them. Even all of Mahinmi's shots were good shots that he had been making all year until yesterday.
        I'm not sure if you can call a Mahinmi open shot a "good shot" he is open for a reason.
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        • #19
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
          I'm not sure if you can call a Mahinmi open shot a "good shot" he is open for a reason.
          He's has looked good with that shot. Great rotation.

          I'll just say I wasn't discouraged by the Knicks game. Other games really got to me (or all the other games) but I think that one was really was just a poor shooting night.

          Hill, West and Mahinmi were missing shots I think they will knock down most of the season. Hopefully it's all in the shooting slump.

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          • #20
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post

            Are guaranteed contracts abnormal for 2nd string players not on a rookie contract?

            Apparently not for the Pacers. Both should have rec'd contracts only guaranteeing the 1st 2 years with the other years as a Team Option. That gives the Pacers the option of only being stuck for 2 years if the player doesn't pan out. If they produce, you just pick up the Team Options. Why give 2nd string players who haven't proved themselves in the NBA fully guaranteed contracts? It's ridiculous to do so.

            If neither would accept a partial guaranteed contract, you move on and find someone else. Their value isn't that overwhelming great. They aren't starters they are bench players hoping someone will sign them to a contract to play next year.

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            • #21
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

              Yeah, I think I got a little carried away. I actually think Hans enjoys playing in the NBA. A lot of stress on him this summer with his Mom's problems and his standing in NC. But he seems to hae come back focused and his defense has been much better. Hope he stays around here and gets better.

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              • #22
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

                Originally posted by xtacy View Post
                well said as always.

                do dj and mahinmi even deserve to be in this league?
                Give me a break. DJ has been awful, but Mahinmi hasn't. I think Peck is overreacting to the offensive end because Ian was still challenging shots. And most nights he's shown a BETTER mid-range jumper than Haslem who is the classic PF with a jumper type. Ian has good range and the NYK game is about the only one where he wasn't hitting it.

                Ian just needs a bit more comfort going to the rim and in the post and he'll be fine.

                Also he's only taken 5 or 6 shots in 3 games, and the other two were the first game (2-5) and the Dallas game (3-6). He goes 0-6 with 4 shots in the lane (ie, wasn't chucking jumpers) and drops his average from 47% to 39% and it's "should he even be in the league".

                Meanwhile Tyler is going on his 3rd of 4 seasons shooting below 43% (he's at 42.6 right now), but Ian is the one blowing it for everyone. Sheesh.

                BTW, the non-scrub bench shot 6-9 except for Mahinmi. Sam Young is at .575 the last 3 games and Green is 44% but 53% adjusted for 3. These guys are nowhere close to being out there "blowing it" and they have nothing to do with the dropoff from last year to this.


                1) Plays
                2) Granger
                3) Roy's slump
                4) DJ is awful compared to DC/Hill off the bench last year - but mostly offset by the improved play of Lance

                Paul is not filling the Granger scoring load, but he's on par with what he delivered last year. Ditto Hill and West.



                I also noticed a couple other times where the entire team failed to body up their man for the defensive rebound and a couple times where Paul George was ball watching and lost his man for the layup.
                It was fun to watch Sam Young literally defend JR Smith for about 17 seconds straight, force him into a horrible shot and then have the Knicks easily get the rebound. Had to be a kick to the groin for Sam.

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                • #23
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  I'm not sure if you can call a Mahinmi open shot a "good shot" he is open for a reason.
                  You badly need to subscribe to Synergy because your ability to remember any shot Ian has taken more than 5 minutes ago is shot to hell.

                  He has taken 38 shots. Here's the list of shots taken outside the lane.

                  1-1 Charlotte
                  1-2 San Antonio
                  0-1 Minny
                  2-3 Washington
                  1-2 Toronto
                  1-1 Millwaukee
                  2-5 Dallas

                  So coming into the Knicks game the brilliant Vnzla strategy is to look at a guy shooting 53% on mid-range jumpers, a guy taking 4 of them every 36 minutes which amounts to about 40% of his total attempts and saying "yeah, leave that dude open cause he sucks".

                  For perspective that's about the same as saying that Hill, Young, Lance or Paul should be left open at the 3pt arc because they take 4 of those every 36 and hit them at an adjusted rate of 55-60% (3 points per FGM instead of 2).


                  The sound you hear is the last of my respect for your analysis of the team falling to its death.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

                    Originally posted by billbradley View Post
                    He's has looked good with that shot. Great rotation.

                    I'll just say I wasn't discouraged by the Knicks game. Other games really got to me (or all the other games) but I think that one was really was just a poor shooting night.

                    Hill, West and Mahinmi were missing shots I think they will knock down most of the season. Hopefully it's all in the shooting slump.
                    I agree though I'm more worried than you, but there were a lot of flat shots too. To me the main thing is that a lot of shots aren't really coming in rhythm. Ian missed a couple that he can hit, but other than that only Roy was really missing stuff I expect him to make and only about half his attempts were high quality.

                    West actually went 6-10 and was 3-4 in both the 1st and 3rd. And the team still shot better than the Knicks did, people are really overlooking that fact.

                    One bad stat was the 16 TOs by the starters, and that was a pretty shared load of fail. Roy's 6 is pretty ugly though.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

                      The funny thing about that game is that when the Pacers made their run in the 3rd/4th quarter, they looked like they should. But they couldn't sustain, and NYK was simply better.

                      For a while there they were passing, defending, and rebounding. They even made more shots than they missed. It lasted until they got to within 7 pts or so. Then it was back to Hansbrough throwing up a wild shot. One pass and a 3 point attempt. And throwing the ball away several possessions in a row. Ball handling is pathetic at times.


                      And for the ill advised person who says Augustin and Mahinmi shouldn't be in the league, get some facts before you say that. Mahinmi is doing twice what the sainted Lou did. And Augustin, well maybe you have a point. But at least he isn't trying to make shots.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

                        Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post

                        You badly need to subscribe to Synergy
                        because your ability to remember any shot Ian has taken more than 5 minutes ago is shot to hell.

                        He has taken 38 shots. Here's the list of shots taken outside the lane.

                        1-1 Charlotte
                        1-2 San Antonio
                        0-1 Minny
                        2-3 Washington
                        1-2 Toronto
                        1-1 Millwaukee
                        2-5 Dallas

                        So coming into the Knicks game the brilliant Vnzla strategy is to look at a guy shooting 53% on mid-range jumpers, a guy taking 4 of them every 36 minutes which amounts to about 40% of his total attempts and saying "yeah, leave that dude open cause he sucks".

                        For perspective that's about the same as saying that Hill, Young, Lance or Paul should be left open at the 3pt arc because they take 4 of those every 36 and hit them at an adjusted rate of 55-60% (3 points per FGM instead of 2).


                        The sound you hear is the last of my respect for your analysis of the team falling to its death.

                        If Sinergy is what is telling you that Mcbob is the next Lamar Odom, that Blair is the next Rodman, that Ian is playing well, that Green can replace Danny "just fine" and that "Green and young have been more positive than negative" I rather not waste money on that website then, thanks for the recommendation though.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

                          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                          Are guaranteed contracts abnormal for 2nd string players not on a rookie contract?
                          Austin Croshere

                          (who actually was a fav of mine, but many around here hated because of the contract DW gave him).
                          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Went to a Garden Party & got smacked

                            Originally posted by xtacy View Post
                            trust me i expect little from ian and he even fails that.
                            Then trust Ian, he will be a pleasant surprise to you since you think so very little of him. I bet you watched him play next to none before he came here. Yet, you have this perception of how he sucks as an NBA player...hmmm
                            Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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