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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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  • Re: What movie did you last watch?

    Also cutting out Harry taunting Voldemort was also a major mistake. I love reading that section, you can just tell Voldemort and all his supporters know the end is coming.
    Last edited by Trader Joe; 07-18-2011, 03:10 PM.


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    • Re: What movie did you last watch?

      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
      Also cutting out Harry taunting Voldemort was also a major mistake. I love reading that section, you guys just tell Voldemort and all his supporters know the end is coming.
      The books treated the Malfoy's much better than the movies.
      Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
        The books treated the Malfoy's much better than the movies.
        Plus it's a great juxtaposition to many of their other encounters (Voldemort/Harry) usually Voldemort seems to know something Harry doesn't in this case, the tables were turned and Harry takes great advantage of it.


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          Well it also shows that it's never to late to switch sides, so to speak. I wish I had my book with me, because I forget the wording, but basically the only time Voldemort looks taken aback is when Harry say's he can still repent for what he's done.

          Which is why Malfoy's were brought back into the fold, and it shows Draco as an adult living a normal life.

          EEDIT: And I know there are a lot of spoilers, but are they really spoilers if the movie doesn't even have it?
          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
            The books treated the Malfoy's much better than the movies.
            I actually thought the movies treated the Malfoy's exactly like the book.

            The idea being that, they weren't "bad" at heart, especially Draco (in fact, I thought the movie treated Daddy Malfoy better than the book did) but they were most interested in self preservation.

            example being, it was obvious that Draco (and in fact, Tom Felton and girl who plays Luna are probably the best of the young actors) wanted to stay on the side with the other students, but with the pressure of mom and dad, and with things looking like they were going Voldemort's way, he joined the dark side.

            What I didn't like, was the way they handled Bellatrix and Voldemort. From him pushing her down when she was trying to help him up, to absolutely no reaction when she died. Bellatrix was on par with Nagini in terms of "closest things Voldemort ever loved" and the movies did not show that.

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              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
              It's not so much the room it took place in, but rather because everyone else is there to watch it.
              I totally agree. I loved that visual (in my mind, of course) when I got to that part in the book. There's just something about everyone being there, after all of these stories where everyone has their pocket of life, only referring to other people, but now we have them all together, no more talking, here we are, and right in the middle of it is "He Who Shall Not Be Named" and "The Boy Who Lived" squaring off. That was an excellent setup.

              Harry explains it all to Voldemort, taunting him about what Voldemort didn't care enough to understand. (love)

              It ties everything together. It literally gives everything the whole series is about.
              This keeps making me referenced the end of the last book (kind of fun, actually), and talk about a wasted opportunity by the movie. Would this not be an epic moment had they filmed it?

              "Voldemort was now dueling McGonagall, Slughorn, and Kingsley all at once, and there was a cold hatred in his face as they wove and ducked around him, unable to finish him --

              Bellatrix was still fighting too, fifty yards away from Voldemort, and like her master she dueled three at once: Hermione, Ginny, and Luna, all battling their hardest, but Bellatrix was equal to them."

              That would have been SWEET!

              Oh well.

              Any way, I went on to read that last scene with Harry and Voldemort, and yeah, it plays way better.

              They still would have had to have trimmed it down, but I can envision a scene like that in a movie, where they circle one another like wolves, exchanging their dialog as we cut back and forth between the two staring at one another, and you would probably have their spell-exchange in slow-mo to better appreciate it because in real time it's over and done in a second.

              I enjoyed re-reading all of the dialog, but they'd have to revise it so it wasn't just a ton of it, but I like the idea of ending it with their exchange.

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              • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                What I didn't like, was the way they handled Bellatrix and Voldemort. From him pushing her down when she was trying to help him up, to absolutely no reaction when she died. Bellatrix was on par with Nagini in terms of "closest things Voldemort ever loved" and the movies did not show that.
                I don't think he loved anybody. But yeah, I just re-read that part; he was screaming when she died, and knocks 3 great wizards on their asses in the process.

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                • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                  Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                  I actually thought the movies treated the Malfoy's exactly like the book.

                  The idea being that, they weren't "bad" at heart, especially Draco (in fact, I thought the movie treated Daddy Malfoy better than the book did) but they were most interested in self preservation.
                  They walked away as outcasts, rather than staying in the Great Hall and reassimilating back in to the wizarding world.
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                    Exactly Hicks, having those two battles would have been awesome, it would have been a fitting way to finish the series, as it was in the book.


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                    • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      They walked away as outcasts, rather than staying in the Great Hall and reassimilating back in to the wizarding world.
                      In the book they were "outcasts" in a similar fashion, I believe it was specifically mentioned that they were keeping to themselves.

                      The end of the movie and book though, Harry and Draco acknowledge each other at Kings Cross. (I thought that scene was exceptionally well done.)

                      Honestly, for me, the movies will never be anything close to the books, but after the fourth and fifth (although, Umbridge was perfect) and them screwing up my favorite scene in the sixth, this was a really good finish.

                      As I said, I wish that Alfonso Cuarón had done the entire series, for continuity, and because I thought he made the best/least cheesy, movie, despite wavering from the books the most. Although if it was up to me, I'd have Tim Burton direct all of them. It would have driven a lot of Potter fans mad, but he stays very close to book adaptations, I think his creepy style works..plus..we would have had Johnny Depp for Sirius.

                      edit: I agree, I don't think "Love" was the correct word for it. I don't even know if "caring" is the correct word. LOL, maybe she was the only person he liked.
                      Last edited by Sookie; 07-18-2011, 04:03 PM.

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                      • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                        Horrible Bosses

                        One of the funniest movies I've seen in a long time.
                        Last edited by Constellations; 07-19-2011, 08:29 PM.
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                          The Damned Thing

                          Not good at all. 1/5
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                          • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                            Originally posted by Constellations View Post
                            Horrible Bosses

                            One of the funniest movies I've seen in a long time.
                            I agree. I have seen it twice already. Actually thought it was even better the second time.

                            Added: I keep seeing these ads for Friends With Benefits. Really? It is the exact same thing as No Strings Attached or whatever with Ashton Kutcher. That came out like a month ago max. Don't they have any other ideas??
                            Last edited by ECKrueger; 07-20-2011, 10:21 PM.

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                              My wife and I went to see the Harry Potter movie Monday. I had not read the last book, so was not disappointed by how it went. We thought the ending was rather cheesy, but when I found out it went like that in the book it made it easier to take. It was more the way they did it than the actual scene.

                              We watched the second Diary of a Wimpy Kid movie yesterday. I teach 6th grade so it is even more humorous to me. We enjoyed it.

                              By the way, all of the complaints about how this series (harry potter) was made is why I will not see the Dark Tower series if it is made into movies. There is just no way it will work. Plus, if they end it like he did, people will not be happy. Ditto for a Wheel of Time movie series as well.
                              Last edited by SycamoreKen; 07-21-2011, 12:59 AM.

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                              • Re: What movie did you last watch?

                                Originally posted by PurduePacer View Post
                                I agree. I have seen it twice already. Actually thought it was even better the second time.

                                Added: I keep seeing these ads for Friends With Benefits. Really? It is the exact same thing as No Strings Attached or whatever with Ashton Kutcher. That came out like a month ago max. Don't they have any other ideas??
                                It is the same thing but they probably were making it at the same time and didn't know about each other. The chick from no strings attached was great and made the movie good but I though they could of got a better actor than Ashton to play the dude.

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