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    http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=6203164

    Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade
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    CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Calling it a "stab in the back" and "slap in the face," Gerald Wallace hasn't got over being blindsided by Michael Jordan's Charlotte Bobcats.

    Back in Charlotte on Thursday for the first time since being traded last month to the Portland Trail Blazers, the last original member of the Jordan-owned Bobcats and the franchise's only All-Star acknowledged he's still adjusting to the most shocking event of his professional career.

    "To feel like you're not wanted anymore or you're not good enough for the franchise anymore, it's a slap in the face," said Wallace, whose new team faces the Bobcats Friday. "That was a hurtful feeling for me."

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    Gerald Wallace called his trade to the Portland Trail Blazers a "stab in the back" and a "slap in the face."
    And completely unexpected.

    While the Bobcats had been shopping the forward for months and his agent told him there was a "50-50 chance" he'd be dealt, Wallace never thought it would happen. The belief was reinforced when coach Paul Silas told him early on Feb. 24, trade deadline day, that he was safe.

    "Basically, he told me before the practice that I was good, that no trades were going to go down and I was OK and I didn't have anything to worry about," Wallace said. "Then I get home and bam, I'm traded."

    Charlotte's second-leading scorer was dealt for three role players and two first-round draft picks, a move that saved the money-losing Bobcats about $21 million over the next two seasons. Jordan later told The Associated Press that "I love the trade" because it gives him financial flexibility to make future moves because, "we don't want to be the seventh or eighth seed" each season.

    "He really loved this team," Silas said of Wallace. "It was unfortunate it had to happen but it did."

    Wallace, though, thinks cutting payroll was the biggest reason for the trade and expressed dismay with how the situation was handled by Jordan's top lieutenant, general manager Rod Higgins.

    "I don't even want to comment on that guy," Wallace said, before adding he believes Higgins was adamant in wanting to deal him.

    "I feel like that's been something he's been wanting to do."

    The leftover friction made for a strange scene as Wallace practiced with the Trail Blazers on the Bobcats' practice floor Thursday in an arena that's erased almost all of his pictures, paintings and images of the 7-year-old franchise's most popular player.


    I think it still is an adjustment period, especially when you've been in a place as long as he had like here in Charlotte. It was definitely tough on him.

    -- Marcus Camby on Gerald Wallace's adjustment to Portland
    The only sign of Wallace, who went from an expansion draft pickup to one of the top small forwards in the league, was an advertisement on a video board with him in a Blazers uniform promoting ticket sales for Friday's game.

    Bobcats guard Stephen Jackson, who is set to return from hamstring injury Friday, expects his friend to get a standing ovation. Wallace thinks the night will be "emotional" but is unsure how he'll feel.

    "I thought I was going to retire here," the 28-year-old Wallace said. "I actually thought that when I stopped wearing a Bobcats uniform I'd be done with basketball."

    Now Wallace is trying to fit in as a sixth man on a new team.

    "I think it still is an adjustment period, especially when you've been in a place as long as he had like here in Charlotte," Blazers center Marcus Camby said. "It was definitely tough on him."

    But it's clear the Blazers, who sit in sixth place in the Western Conference, craved the athletic Wallace.

    "I love him. He's a guy that brings it. He's a very competitive player, mentally tough," Blazers coach Nate McMillan said. "In this league there are men and there are boys. Gerald is a man. When you're in this league, you need those guys that don't fear opposing players. Wallace doesn't fear LeBron [James], Dwyane [Wade], Kobe [Bryant]."

    After a slow start, Wallace played a big role in his sixth game with Portland on Tuesday night, consistently going right at James and finishing with 22 points and nine rebounds in a victory over Miami.

    "I think my main thing was trying to learn the plays and trying to get over the shock of the trade and everything," Wallace said. "It took me a week to do that. Once that settled down and reality set in, you just move forward."

    Still, the pain was still evident as Wallace left the practice court Thursday afternoon to head to the unfamiliar visiting locker room at Time Warner Cable Arena.

    "I felt like it was a stab in the back, something I that I totally didn't see coming," Wallace said. "I was comfortable here. I thought everything was good. We were starting to get guys back healthy and we were starting to make a push.

    "My heart was here. My heart and soul were here and it's always been here for the last seven years."
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    Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

    Why was he traded anyway?

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      Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

      Jordan decided to tear the team up and start over.

      It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

      Division Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
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        Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
        Jordan decided to tear the team up and start over.
        Why wouldnt they trade Jax also?

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        • #5
          Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          Why wouldnt they trade Jax also?
          Probably because they couldn't get rid of him and/or Portland didn't want him.

          If there was one player I was keeping to help in the rebuild, it'd be Wallace over Jax. C'mon, MJ.
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          • #6
            Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            Why wouldnt they trade Jax also?
            He tried. Nobody wanted him.

            It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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            Conference Champions 1955, 1956, 1988, 2005
            NBA Champions 1989, 1990, 2004

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            • #7
              Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

              jordan is the greatest player ever no doubt about it.

              but he totally sucks as a gm.

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              • #8
                Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

                I can't believe Jordan would trade him, but Wallace also has to be a man and be professional. Did he get shafted? Maybe. But it's a business and he has to realize that. He also has to realize that Jordan is going to make some really dumb decisions, and that might come at his expense. Luckily, not any more.

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                • #9
                  Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

                  So nobody is going to praise Wallace for wanting to stay in a bad team and not trying to move to a big marquet team? The guy wanted to finish his career as a Bobcat, is impressive for a guy to say that in this era.
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                    Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    So nobody is going to praise Wallace for wanting to stay in a bad team and not trying to move to a big marquet team? The guy wanted to finish his career as a Bobcat, is impressive for a guy to say that in this era.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

                      I don't know who he's expecting to bring in that will be better than Wallace.

                      After making the playoffs the previous year and on the border to get in again, he decided to blow up the roster and get rid of his best player?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

                        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                        He tried. Nobody wanted him.
                        I know Chicago was rumored but they werent good trading parters. I also heard Dallas was interstested but I guess they chose to keep Caron Butler and not take on Jax?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

                          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                          I know Chicago was rumored but they werent ood trading parters. I also heard Dallas was interstested but I guess they chose to keep Caron Butler and not take on Jax?
                          I remember reading somewhere that Cleveland was interested in either him or Wallace. Preferably Wallace.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

                            Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                            I remember reading somewhere that Cleveland was interested in either him or Wallace. Preferably Wallace.
                            I think the CAVS wanted a first rd pick back also. Like they did with Moe and tried to do by getting Rip. They are aquiring a lot of picks and rebuliding the right way.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Gerald Wallace blindsided by trade

                              That trade was complete trash. It is almost as bad as the Gasol trade. It would have been great if we fleeced them last year with the rumored G Henderson & Felton for Ford/Rush. For the first time since Dale Davis for JO, I want to get over a team!!!!!!!!!!

                              Wallace > Granger

                              He plays defense.

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