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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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  • #46
    Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

    Originally posted by ECKrueger View Post
    I liked when Lance ran over Curry. They got in each other's face and then Lance just walked away.

    So much more mature.
    I'm watching the replay of the game now.....at first...when Lance ran into Curry...it really looked like Lance was trying to flop there....it was very "LeDecision"-like when he ran into Curry. Also....I'm glad that Lance walked away.....but IMHO...it really looks like Lance tried to instigate something with Curry.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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    • #47
      Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

      No Curry vs Roy II tonight. That still has to be a turning point for Roy in his career. Scola should be forbidden from doing post ups.
      His percentage has to be terrible from that and a turnover is highly likely. Weird floor conditions last night. Too much wax???
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      • #48
        Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

        I think Lance was getting himself going. Getting a hit in to get the juices flowing. He was very frustrated early in the game, and I think he was looking for something to pump him up.

        Also, Scola got bodied all night. I couldn't believe how much they roughed him up, and they didn't call it. Also Hibbert took a nasty fall at the end of the game that I thought was going to put him out of the game.

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        • #49
          Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

          Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
          TNT: Paul George really stroking it. Next time he should go to a Target (hahahaha)
          so that's why the floor was slippery.
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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          • #50
            Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

            Originally posted by docpaul View Post

            What to like: At one point, the game was at 3 points, after being up by 20. Instead of freaking out, and getting flustered... they scored like 6 consecutive points, with simple effective plays. Their poise is impressive.
            I think the poise is a direct result of making it to game 7 of the Eastern conference finals. That makes any team battle tested.

            Sadly I did not stay up to what the second half. First half looked great. Certainly we were making shots early, and then our defense got better after the first 8 minutes or so.

            Yeah Lance seems to think he is a great shooter now. I thought he took a number of bad shots. And what is it with him taking long three pointers. A couple I saw were 2 or 3 feet beyoind the 3-point line. There is no reason for him to take those.
            Last edited by Unclebuck; 01-21-2014, 10:08 AM.

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            • #51
              Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

              Ya Scola was getting hacked and bumped like crazy, no call.
              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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              • #52
                Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                Lance, it was the type of night that I was sitting there pulling my hair out and then scaring the crap outta the dogs in celebration. I think his last three pretty much summed it up, "no no no no why did you HOLY **** IT WENT IN!"
                I said the same thing in the game thread, thinking I was original. Then 8 other people said the same thing.
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                • #53
                  Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                  I feel like I'm usually pretty positive, so I hope this doesn't wreck my rep. There were two things I hated about the game last night.

                  1. What the crap was up with that floor? They kept talking about the decals, which was ridiculous when guys were falling over everywhere on the court. That was seriously messed up; I've never seen anything like it. I quit hoping for a win and started hoping for us to make it through without an injury.

                  2. If they'd called illegal screens last night, we might have shot 100 free throws. Almost every Warriors play featured a moving screen.
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                  • #54
                    Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                    I thought last night really shouldn't have been close, but was the perfect storm of a gimmicky offense, a bad floor, just plain weird officiating, Paul George flipping 1st and 2nd halves, and Lance/Hill forgetting to slow down the offense...so we had a ballgame. I would have been pissed if the Pacers lost, frankly, because they were clearly the better team on the floor in my eyes.

                    As I said in the game thread: I really like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson. Really, not patronizing, would love to have either in the blue & gold. But I hate the Warriors as a team. I think they run a totally unsustainable gimmick offense that's good for occasional TNT features, but will get them nowhere in the playoffs, and it's annoying to see them capitalize on such gimmick execution vs your team when you know ultimately, it goes nowhere.

                    Basically, the Warriors are totally reliant on the three point shot and their home arena to fuel them. Their go-to, must-have shot is a contested Steph Curry three. Have fun with that in the playoffs.

                    I also hate how fake tough they are. I'm sure people say the same about the Pacers, and I'm sure this is a product of a rivalry between Pacers and a team much better than I'm giving them credit for. But it seems like they're always trying to start something they know they can't/won't finish. Like...Curry vs Lance? Really, Steph?

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                    • #55
                      Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                      Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
                      Like...Curry vs Lance? Really, Steph?
                      Last year was even worse with Curry vs Hibbert. Muahahaha. Remember how Roy pushed him away like a rag doll?


                      Also, love the fact the team keeps getting recognition from almost everywhere each passing day.


                      Never forget

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                      • #56
                        Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                        Hibbert was the MVP of that game. He was extremely efficient on the offensive end of the court and rebounded like crazy. Most importantly, he completely disrupted Golden State on the defensive end. God only knows how many shots he altered. PG and Lance have gotten most of the hype this year for obvious reasons, but everything on this team starts with Hibbert's suffocating interior defense. It sets the tone for what we do. Lance and PG are able to push it on fastbreaks because Hibbert creates so many misses at the rim.

                        Hill made played good D on Curry and came up with that clutch three. 15 points on just 8 shots. He's just such a solid basketball player. Sure we haven't needed him as much on offense this year because of the explosions from Lance and PG, but he is still a very good player who can step up when needed. I'm glad he's on our team.

                        Lance's shot selection was absolutely hideous and he had a couple of really dumb turnovers. But the guy still ended up with 14/10/7 and hit that clutch three. He's a fearless player. Sometimes that means he's going to do some dumb stuff, but more often than not it has translated to winning plays this season. His best attribute might be how he comes up with those offensive rebounds and put backs.

                        PG hit some absolutely beautiful shots. I'm glad he got out of that slump.

                        Scola certainly was sloppy on the offensive end, but he still came up with 6 rebounds. He always hustles out there.

                        Mahinmi was extremely solid off the bench.

                        Overall, that was just a great win. GS wanted that game badly. Winning a road game out west against a good team like GS is always difficult to do. That was definitely one of the better wins this season. 33-7. Unbelievable.
                        Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-21-2014, 10:35 AM.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                          I have come to realize that Roy Hibbert's number of block shots he averages per game is a rather meaningless stat. He directly alters a lot of shots. But even more than that he keeps teams out of the paint entirely. They often don't even try to score in the paint. They settle for the 15 ft jumper if they can get it.

                          The only way to fully realize Roy's overall impact is to watch the game, but you probably also have to watch the opponent play other teams to fully realize how Roy changes their offense.

                          (Not to give Roy all the credit, our entire defense takes away what teams like to do)
                          Last edited by Unclebuck; 01-21-2014, 11:09 AM.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            I have come to realize that Roy Hibbert's number of block shots he averages per game is a rather meaningless stat. He directly alters a lot of shots. But even more than that he keeps teams out of the paint intirely. They often don't even try to score in the paint. They settle for the 15 ft jumper if they can get it.

                            The only way to fully realize Roy's overall impact is to watch the game, but you probably also have to watch the opponent play other teams and realize how Roy changes how opponents change their offense.
                            Watching Hibbert is extra special for those of us who were watching during his rookie season in 08-09. I remember when it seemed like he would pick up two fouls after being in the game for about 30 seconds. The way that Hibbert has turned into an elite interior defender without fouling is one of the most remarkable things I've ever witnessed as a Pacer fan. Major credit to Hibbert and the coaching staff who obviously spent countless hours on this.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                              Honestly, Scola's offensive troubles were a direct result of Lance. I think Lance only got him in the Pick and Pop 2-3 times. Instead of Lance running some offense wiht Scola, he dribbled the all and ISO'd all game long. If he would have ran the offense like normal, he would of had that triple double and it would have been a blow out. Vogel needs to reel him in. Lance is thinking too much about All-star game.
                              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Pacers Warriors Post Game Thread

                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                I have come to realize that Roy Hibbert's number of block shots he averages per game is a rather meaningless stat. He directly alters a lot of shots. But even more than that he keeps teams out of the paint intirely. They often don't even try to score in the paint. They settle for the 15 ft jumper if they can get it.

                                The only way to fully realize Roy's overall impact is to watch the game, but you probably also have to watch the opponent play other teams and realize how Roy changes how opponents change their offense.
                                Didn't CWebb say that they counted 8 "invisible" blocks before halftime? The Warriors attempted 15 shots in the paint in the first half, just to give a count on the number of shots that was probably against.
                                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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