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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

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  • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    I'm beginning to agree with you.

    Of course, I'm basing this off of the rumored interest in Payne from the Knicks, Pacers and Thunder......

    I'm waiting for TBird's analysis of Payne to solidify any concerns I have about drafting a PG ( I REALLY want my Guards to be able to play "off the ball" ) but it's beginning to seem like he's a legit top 10 talent in this draft.
    Tbird did do a analysis of Payne. He liked him.

    I still don't like him. He could be ok.

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    • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

      All this talk about the changing of the NBA, and the future of the NBA, I don't really like. I just don't. Because every year there is a new "trend" that suddenly seems a little bit dated the following year. It's dated because another team puts together something great and then they are the new wave of the future.

      Not saying there aren't certain things you pick up from- of course you do. It's a copy cat league. But playing way too much towards a certain trend I think is an awful idea.

      Like playing small. Teams throw in small lineups, but I think it is versatility that is really working. Versatile lineups, with versatile players.

      The truth is size will always matter in the NBA, and if a particular team goes too small? They'll get crushed in the playoffs. Call Golden State small all you want but they're the only team so far that Cleveland has played so far that is able to throw big physical defenders against LBJ. They're "small" yet they have a big rim protecting physical center in Bogut. They're "small" but Green will play physical 90's era basketball against Z-Bo all day long.

      I want the Pacers to get WCS, because he's athletic and can defend multiple positions, but the truth is he's got the same physical dimensions as Tyson Chandler. He's tall, somewhat long, and still had a lot more meat he can add to the bones. He'll be able to defend every big man in the league. I want big, athletic, physical wings that can defend, point guards, wings and sometimes 4's.

      But I also want guys that can shoot so we can spread the floor.

      At this point the Pacers look to be moving to a much faster paced team, but I'd argue that's because the Pacers want to play to their strengths. Bird isn't stupid- 4 years ago, he had Danny, West and Roy on the court. That's a huge team that can beat anyone up downlow. Now his two best players? Hill and PG. His point guard and wing. So naturally, in order to play to the Pacers strengths, the team needs to be built around Hill and PG. A shooter like Kaminsky would obviously help, WCS would help speed the pace and make the team much versatile on defense, and allow for some really fun lineups... Devin Booker on this team might transform the team into a true pace and space team. Regardless, I just hope the Pacers don't attempt to throw away what we know about basketball in an attempt some super modern small ball team that can't defend anyone and gets beat up by LBJ in the playoffs.

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      • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

        Originally posted by mattie View Post
        Tbird did do a analysis of Payne. He liked him.

        I still don't like him. He could be ok.
        Say what? He's done Tyus Jones and Jerian Grant. No Payne yet.

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        • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

          Originally posted by wintermute View Post
          Say what? He's done Tyus Jones and Jerian Grant. No Payne yet.
          oops. I dunno why I thought he did.

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          • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
            Let's reverse this. If the Pacers had had #16 and it cost SHill or Mahinmi or Miles, you think the price would be too steep for the Pacers to trade up to the #11 to get WCS or Stanley Johnson?
            After looking at it that way....I guess the answer is that "It depends" on the situation.

            You're right.......after looking at the Celtics' situation....I agree that the Celtics ( armed with multiple Assets like multiple Draft Picks and Cap Space ) are in the position to make trades ( in this scenario...involving trading 2 solid rotational assets....Olynyk or Sullinger + 16...for a quality Single asset that could turn out to be a better rotational or Starting Asset than what they are giving up ). The Celtics can give up some value where they don't necessarily come out ahead but does end up with the asset that they want. On top of that...they have other assets ( picks and Salary Cap Space ) at their disposal to make up for the loss in value.

            The Pacers ( on the other hand ) IMHO aren't in the same position to make such a trade since we are in a different spot than they are. If the Pacers were in the same scenario where the Pacers had to give up the #11 pick + some other Asset to move up......then I'd say that "it depends" on what we are giving up. If it's Miles or Mahinmi + #11 to move up...sure....I'm fine with that. But if it's Solo....then it would depend on if we truly are getting back a quality future Starter that has crazy upside. If that Player that we are trading up for isn't really that much better than what we can get at the #11 spot....then, I'd say pass while keeping the #11 spot and Solo. I know that it may sound strange to not trade up because of not wanting to give up Solo.....but I'm weary of giving up young assets since I think that it's important to build the roster over time with young and quality assets. But as I said....for the Pacers...I guess that "it depends"
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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            • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

              Portis vs Lyles


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              • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

                Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                Not if you get good players like Potis or Booker at #16 and Wright or Christmas at #28.
                Last year the 11th pick was traded for the 16th and 19th, so I wouldn't be happy about getting 16 and 28. Not to mention that when trading back you have no idea what players will be available when you pick.

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                • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

                  Originally posted by Wage View Post
                  Last year the 11th pick was traded for the 16th and 19th, so I wouldn't be happy about getting 16 and 28. Not to mention that when trading back you have no idea what players will be available when you pick.
                  If a team had a good, solid and fairly young starting 5 and just wanted to build depth, that might be a good way to do it. Doesn't really fit what the Pacers need to do though.

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                  • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

                    Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                    Portis vs Lyles


                    Larry Nance Jr should be pretty interesting, I am interested in seeing how his workout goes, he is a super athletic guy and his shot has improved... Could be a camp invite...
                    Why so SERIOUS

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                    • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

                      Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                      Portis vs Lyles


                      This should be interesting with two players (Lyles and Portis) who are built the same and whose strentghs counteract each other's weakness.

                      Nance Jr is also worth a look and maybe a good long term project.

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                      • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

                        Originally posted by eldubious View Post
                        This should be interesting with two players (Lyles and Portis) who are built the same and whose strentghs counteract each other's weakness.

                        Nance Jr is also worth a look and maybe a good long term project.
                        I don't see how any of Lyles projected strengths are Portis' weaknesses. I can't think of one

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                        • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

                          Interesting convo with Bruno last week I haven't seen mentioned. Talking about workouts. I guess Klay Thompson had several workouts with Marshon Brooks. I guess in several pre draft workouts Marshon just killed Klay. I guess Klay got the better of him in some but some Marshon killed him.

                          Just found it interesting, Klay went 11 and Marshon 25 so teams saw through those workouts but still. Klay is in the finals and I believe Marshons out of the league.

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                          • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

                            Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                            I don't see how any of Lyles projected strengths are Portis' weaknesses. I can't think of one
                            Lyles is said to be a better athlete and Portis has a limited post game which makes it easier for Lyles to guard him. That being said, Portis is more pro ready.

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                            • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

                              I really like Portis. I don't really understand why he's mocked in the mid teens. I like him better than a lot of guys mocked to be in our range. So I'm quite happy that the Pacers are working him out. Not that it means much probably, as Portis has already worked out for a bunch of teams.

                              Lyles I'm kind of meh on. The only thing in his favor IMO is that he was playing out of position in Kentucky. My guess is that he'd probably do better back in his natural PF position.

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                              • Re: Official 2014-2015 NBA Draft Prospect Thread

                                Originally posted by eldubious View Post
                                Lyles is said to be a better athlete and Portis has a limited post game which makes it easier for Lyles to guard him. That being said, Portis is more pro ready.
                                One of Lyles weaknesses is the fact that he lacks elite athleticism. He is quite long and has a nice shooting stroke but I think Portis is stronger and is probably as good, if not a better athlete.

                                Portis is the better player in every way right now IMO. I'm sure it'd be an interesting workout to watch though.

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